- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:46:54 -0400
- To: James Graham <jgraham@opera.com>
- CC: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, John Kemp <john@jkemp.net>
James Graham wrote: > Dan Connolly wrote: > >> Written minutes strike a balance between >> recording everything and recording nothing. >> Well, good ones anyway; this group doesn't make binding >> decisions in teleconferences, so we tend to be >> pretty lax about minutes and expect technical arguments >> to be elucidated/replayed in email. As to non-technical stuff, >> I think it's reasonable that you have to be there in real time >> to get that stuff. > > It seems [1] like Sam is planning to use the telecons as a way to > facilitate communication between different groups as we move toward last > call. Since it seems like the format of the telecon offers some > advantages in generating understanding [2] it is a problem if the vast > majority of the group are cut off from that understanding. Experience > suggests that it is almost impossible to tell what is actually being > said from IRC or from the minutes. Given this, I'm not sure I buy the > "it's reasonable that you have to be there in real time" position, > especially since it is impossible for everyone to be there in real time > and may be impractical even for individuals who would like to be there > due to e.g. timezone problems. > > Making a recording available would, I think, be rather helpful. I agree with the above. I will also add that it is my intent that the purpose of the call is to expedite progress on issues requiring attention. I also want to reiterate that no decisions be made exclusively on a phone call and without an opportunity for those who solely follow the mailing list to participate. In the example of yesterday's call, there was a productive discussion that took place primarily between Maciej and Richard. It could have happened at a face to face or in a private call, but in any case it was not a decision. In addition to the public minutes I wrote up my own understanding of what I thought happened[3] and then separately asked Maciej and Richard to review my understanding. They both agreed with what I said (but made separate comments on my use of <h1> as an example: something I will leave to others to resolve). And even then, it still does not represent a decision. As to the comments about this potentially turning into a "performance", let's just agree that it is the responsibility for the chair of any particular meeting to ensure that it does not happen. [4] - Sam Ruby > [1] > http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/08/12/Mountain-Mohammed-Mohammed-Mountain-Please-Talk#c1250197209 > > [2] > http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/08/12/Mountain-Mohammed-Mohammed-Mountain-Please-Talk#c1250194723 [3] http://intertwingly.net/blog/2009/08/12/Mountain-Mohammed-Mohammed-Mountain-Please-Talk#c1250189423 [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0734.html
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