- From: Andrew Sidwell <w3c@andrewsidwell.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:51:17 +0100
- To: Robert J Burns <rob@robburns.com>
- CC: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>, wai-liaison@w3.org
Robert J Burns wrote:
> On May 13, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Sidwell wrote:
>> I would be happy if someone (or several someones) in favour of making
>> alt mandatory in all cases would answer very simply: How does a blind
>> photographer mark up a photo, which is known to be critical content,
>> but which she herself cannot describe?
>
> According to the new draft section, the alt attribute is not to be used
> for description of photographs that are critical content. You're
> thinking of the current editor's draft that attempt to expand the alt
> attribute to cover many more accessibility functions. However, according
> to best practice recommendations descriptions — including descriptions
> of photographs — should be handled through other means. For a blind
> author they would likely not even think in terms of using an image of
> rich text or an iconic image or a chart to convey their meaning. [...]
I don't believe I said they would—that was not what I was asking about.
<snip>
> So to summarize critical content text alternative is not a description
> of an image. It's the necessarily brief text that would be required for
> a user to comprehend the document in the absence of the image.
Whilst all of this was interesting to read, it was also irrelevant to
the question. A page whose purpose is to display photographs cannot be
comprehended in any meaningful way in the absence of the image in the
case of the question I posed above (that is, where the person creating
the page to show the image may herself have only the vaguest of notions
of what the image is).
>> Is it:
>> <img src="photo">
>> <img src="photo" alt="Photo">
>> <img src="photo" alt="Exposure 2s, f/12">
>> or something else?
>
> Something else (a photo will rarely require anything but null alt):
>
> <img src='photo1' alt='' longdesc='descriptions#photo1' >
This merely moves the burden from alt text to a longdesc. The question
still stands.
I would suggest that
<!DOCTYPE html>
<title>
<header>
<h1>Photo Gallery</h1>
<h2>Photo taken on 13th May 2008</h3>
</header>
<img src="photo">
<p><a href="prev">Previous photo</a>, <a href="next">Next photo</a>
would not be a bad way of answering the question. Maybe include a
paragraph straight after the image saying "1/2000s exposure at f/1.8".
How would you propose to do it differently?
(Consider also the case of a webcam mounted on a bag that took photos
and uploaded them via a 3G connection every five minutes. A similar
situation applies there.)
<snip irrelevant points>
> The rest of your questions I'll leave for you to answer. As you can
> probably see now, they were based on a fundamental misunderstanding of
> the alt attribute.
I can't help but feel you've sidestepped the question, though
unintentionally.
Andrew Sidwell
Received on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:52:09 UTC