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Re: linking work on processing WAI-ARIA markup in HTML

From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:36:00 -0400
Message-Id: <95A8EC71-E33A-4F1E-8ED0-BE8378CB8F20@IEEE.org>
Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, wai-liaison@w3.org, public-pfwg-comments@w3.org, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>

On 31 Jul 2008, at 12:11 PM, Dan Connolly wrote:

> We talked about this in our 24 July teleconference;
> sorry for the delay..
> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:52 +0000, Ian Hickson wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Al Gilman wrote:
>>> I see by your Tracker that you have an ISSUE-35 on "aria  
>>> processing."
>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
>> There are three issues blocking the adoption of ARIA proposals in  
>> HTML5:
>>  1. ARIA isn't being developed in the open. It is unlikely that we  
>> would
>>     adopt wholesale anything that wasn't developed in a completely  
>> open
>>     manner, with open public participation and a completely public
>>     feedback loop. I mentioned this in:
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/ 
>> 2008AprJun/0004.html
> I think we've gotten far enough on the openness point,

Thank you for bearing with us on this point.  Later this fall I will  
be asking
PFWG to take a fresh look at to see if we can do a bit better yet.

> but
> the other two remain... it seems important for ARIA to say more
> about how it works with HTML...

Agreed.  We have created an issue on this (Member link, admittedly)

.. and we will be continuing to talk with you because [I, at least,  
think] there are
things for ARIA to say about this and things for HTML to say.


>>  2. ARIA specifications lack clear normative conformance criteria.  
>> I gave
>>     a bunch of examples of this in:
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/ 
>> 2008JanMar/0102.html
>>  3. ARIA doesn't define how ARIA works in conjunction with existing
>>     features in HTML4, HTML5, and other specs. For example, if the  
>> HTML5
>>     "required" attribute indicates that a form control is required  
>> when
>>     the ARIA required attributes indicates that it is not. This  
>> was the
>>     second problem listed in:
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/ 
>> 2008JanMar/0102.html
>>     ...and was also mentioned in this e-mail which was cc'ed to you:
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0342.html
>> Unless and until these three issues are addressed, I don't see any  
>> way in
>> which the ARIA proposals can be adopted in HTML5.
> Ian later wrote...
> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 23:35 +0000, Ian Hickson wrote:
>> Defining how it works with HTML4 would probably be a reasonable level
>> at
>> the moment.
> p.s. tracker: ACTION-73
> -- 
> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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