- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:07:51 -0400
- To: public-html@w3.org
if IMG is preserved as an empty container for "backwards compatibility", then it is ESSENTIAL that the alt and longdesc attributes be retained -- the former as REQUIRED, the latter as optional, but highly encouraged, and even -- in some circumstances, such as an educational institution's online course work -- required... if IMG is deprecated, UAs will STILL have to support/enable exposure of alt and provide a configurable method for presentation to the user AND the replacement element or elements, MUST have a short descriptor and a long descriptor form -- that's the SVG model, and that should be the HTML WG's model -- provide a terse, required descriptor, and make available, either by requirement, by voluntary action on an individual author's part, or when prompted to do so with an ATAG compliant authoring tool (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10 and http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/), provide a mechanism for providing a rich long description -- or one of a set, each in a different natural language, served via content negotiation... look at it this way, and i do mean visualize this: you can get a site preview through a MouseOver or other hover event on ask.com, right? you can get a thumbnail of an image in a file listing, right? you can get an explanation of that weird icon in the tabpanel through a hover event -- all of these are examples of brief visual "descriptions" being offered to the user -- they are a terse means of explicitly stating that X (in this case, IMG) equals Y (in this case, ALT) which performs function Z (in this case, title); detailed information is available at the target of the longdesc attribute users don't always need or want to have everything explained in detail, but if i land, as i did in an earlier thread, on a short descriptor such as: "Snapshot of a KDE Desktop" might i not want a description of a KDE desktop's default GUI "look and feel" so that i can communicate with sighted technical support, let alone colleagues and assistive technology? or, i might be satisfied that there, in the document instance, is a picture of a KDE desktop -- whoopee! big deal, keep moving on... a user can't be expected to provide granularity where none exists; it must be provided for the user by the document's author, or by an accessibility API, ARIA, and (for those whose equipment cannot handle scripting and/or can't afford a machine with enough processing power to even perform scripting) proxies and RDF schemas we're only talking about 2 levels of granularity -- ALT being the thumbnail or OnHover preview event and longdesc being the equivalent of opening up that file or picture and taking as close a look at it as needed... just because 2 levels of granularity are provided via the existing IMG element, doesn't mean that the user HAS to hear the complete description of the graphical resource, but unless there is a mechanism whereby one can be provided, it simply isn't available when it is needed... this is especially important in the ultra-visual culture in which we live -- most of those in this working group who can see, hold such iconic images in its collective unconscious as the "look and feel" of Google, Yahoo! -- even the iconic W3C logo, are all examples a shared understanding that is simply unavailble to some, unless someone takes the time to provide a long description, or provides an EARL processor proxy, which would allow third parties to annotate graphics in other parties' web space... the only other analogy which i can provide is the difference between "visiting" the louvre by viewing only thumbnails of its entire collection in digitalized form, and being able to fully process a digitized work of art, such as the digitalized image of a sculpture which can be viewed from any angle or perspective, which is the second best thing to actually going to the louvre (where, by the way, the staff is quite accomodating to blind visitors, at least in my experience) the user should always have the final say over the level of granularity needed by that individual user, which is a factor which may and will change, from activity to activity -- that is why, if null or invalid alt content is allowed to be ignored, it MUST be at the user's express command, not removed from the attribute set defined for IMG in the HTML 4.01 Strict DTD sometimes a glance or a signpost is sufficient, and sometimes -- more times than most would admit/think -- it is necessary to know in detail the contents of a graphical component of a document instance; it's like driving: sometimes the signs are sufficient, sometimes you need a map, and sometimes, you just need to pull over and ask someone... gregory. --------------------------------------------------------------------- A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. -- Arthur Bloc --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. 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