- From: Tina Holmboe <tina@greytower.net>
- Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 22:36:45 +0200 (CEST)
- To: Murray Maloney <murray@muzmo.com>
- cc: www-html@w3.org, public-html@w3.org
On 6 May, Murray Maloney wrote:
> At 12:04 PM 5/6/2007 +0200, Tina Holmboe wrote:
>>On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 08:41:23PM -0400, Murray Maloney wrote:
>>
>> > From the June 1993 Internet Draft for HTML:
>> > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt
>> >
>> > STRONG Stronger emphasis, typically bold.
>> > B Boldface, where available, otherwise alternative
>> > mapping allowed.
>> > EM Emphasis, typically italic.
>> > I Italic font (or slanted if italic unavailable).
>>
>> Yes. Even that text prove my point.
>
> If you are only intent on being RIGHT, then I encourage you to feel
> righteous. Go for it. Don't bother to try to see beyond your own point
> of view. That might be too much like considering another point of
> view.
All right. So, put bluntly, if my point of view is /different/ from
yours, and I defend it, then /I/ don't want to consider others, but
when /you/ do the same ... you are right?
I /have/ looked at this from multiple angles. The I-element still
doesn't convey semantics. Have /you/ tried to study /your/ point of
view lately?
> If you use your own mind for a moment, you will see that none of the
> descriptions
That is before you degraded the conversation to insults. If you use
/your/ own mind for a moment, you will see that it doesn't matter
which font is used. The I-element has no semantic value. The
EM-element has.
>> No. In HTML *in the wild* the I-element is used for italics,
>> without thought or reason.
>
> There is evidence of <i> being used with thought and reason.
> There is no evidence of <em> being used with greater thought and
> reason.
If you actually care to study the raw material you will find the
statement above incorrect. How many HTML-pages not written by yourself
have you studied the last year?
> Italic text is emphasized.
No. Italic text might be used to communicate emphasis. It certainly
doesn't do so in speech!
> Emphasized terms are presented in italics.
No. Emphasized terms /may/ be presented in italics. They certain are
not so in speech!
The /font style/ is of no importance to the /meaning/ of the element,
no matter how much an emphasized term is /in certain contexts/
rendered in an italic font.
You can render en EM as polka-dotted cubes on a puke-green background,
and the content will /still/ be "an emphasized term".
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