- From: T.V Raman <raman@google.com>
- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:40:57 -0700
- To: rob@robburns.com
- Cc: public-html@w3.org
In its early days I used to actively hunt down and flame people who dared call Emacspeak a screenreader:-) I dont do that as actively any more, but Emacspeak still remains a talking application, not a screenreader. But you raise an important point with respect to the state of screenreaders and HTML/CSS -- as you point out, their focus has been traditionally in some ways less than, and in others more than "Web pages" -- they look at the screen, not at content. Robert Burns writes: > > > On Jul 29, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Robert Burns wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: > > > >> > >> At 08:56 +0900 UTC, on 2007-07-30, Karl Dubost wrote: > >> > >>> Le 28 juil. 2007 à 03:39, Sander Tekelenburg a écrit : > >>>> I've suggested before that perhaps the chairs can actively approach > >>>> those parties to get them involved. I haven't seen a response to > >>>> that. I > >>>> don't know if that means my suggestion went by unnoticed, was > >>>> dimissed for > >>>> whatever reason, or is being acted upon? :) > >>> > >>> AT as in Authoring Tools and/or Assistive Technologies > >> > >> I meant Assistive Technologies, sorry. > >> > >> We have a list of developers of Assitive Technolgies in the wiki: > >> <http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/UAs>. > > > > Quickly looking at the list I would say we have some of the few key > > representative participating already. The screen reader > > representation might be a challenge since it is often focussed on > > other tasks than HTML and CSS. However, we have Apple and Microsoft > > represented: both making screen readers of varying abilities. > > Representation by Freedom Scientific (JAWS), Dolphin (HAL), > > Emacspeak, Orca, and WindowEyes would be nice. > > > > In terms of aural browsing, Opera, IBM (Home Page Reader > > (discontinued)) and Fire Vox are probably among the leaders: all > > represented in our WG. For aural browsers, Emacspeak is probably > > the only missing contender. > > > > Obviously, we may not always have representatives from these > > companies that are involved with those areas of the business, but > > the companies/projects themselves are represented. > > My apologies, but I missed Emacspeak. We already have participation > from the Emacspeak author / originator within our WG. It's possible > I'm missing some others too. Freedom Scientific, Dolphin, Orca, > WindowEyes would be the only other big screen reader players we might > be missing. It looks to me like we have the major aural browser > players already participating. Getting some of the screen readers > interested in our WG is probably a similar problem to getting those > players interested in providing extra support for aural browsing: > i.e., going beyond "screen" reading. IIRC, these screen readers > (other than Emacspeak) often do not do too much specifically with web > content other than read what can be displayed visually on the screen. > For example, Apple's VoiceOver does not really integrate too tightly > with the browser and the DOM as we've discussed in previous threads. > > Also, remember that Josh has graciously offered to make his testing > facilities available to our WG [1] for testing some of the major > screen readers and aural browsers. It would be helpful if someone > (not necessarily our WG) has documented screen reader and aural > browser support (by version and release date, etc) for various HTML > and CSS features. HTML features would be like support for fallback in > OBJECT, CANVAS, VIDEO, AUDIO, (and IMG in XML), @longdesc, @alt, > TABLE@summary, TD@abbr, TH@abbr, TD@scope, TH@scope, TD@headers, > TH@axis, TD@axis, TD@headers, ABBR and ACRONYM pronunciation support > and many other features (form and UI related, @role support, etc.). > > Take care, > Rob > > [1]: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/1059.html> -- Best Regards, --raman Title: Research Scientist Email: raman@google.com WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ Google: tv+raman GTalk: raman@google.com, tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
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