- From: Sander Tekelenburg <st@isoc.nl>
- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:38:08 +0200
- To: public-html@w3.org, wri-talk@webrepair.org
At 07:19 -0400 UTC, on 2007-04-19, Matthew Raymond wrote: > Sander Tekelenburg wrote: >> At 00:15 +0300 UTC, on 2007-04-19, Henri Sivonen wrote: >>> If you would like the switch to be marked non-conforming, do you >>> expect Web designers to accept it? >> >> Speaking for the Web Repair Initiative, I think that would be awful. [...] > I think you totally misunderstand the concept of |bugmode|. It > doesn't opt INTO standards mode. It opts OUT of standards mode. I don't think I misunderstood. I wasn't talking about |bugmode| specifically. As I understand it, this is the situation: - Microsoft insists that authors expicitly opt-in to 'IE really standards mode'. - Microsoft wants the switch for that to be something that others do not want (like doctype versioning for instance.) - If the switch doesn't get specced, Microsoft will 'spec' its own I took Henri's text to refer to that situation. He pointed out that if the switch doesn't get specced, documents using it would be non-conforming, and that that would be a problem for web publishers. My response voiced my concern over what such non-conformance would result in -- emphasizing what I believe Henri was saying. In other words, it seems to me that if Microsoft insists on requiring authors to explicitly opt-in to 'IE really standards mode', then all of us, and especially Microsoft, have an obligation to ensure that that switch is specced. Because if it doesn't get specced, the non-conformance aspect of that would make it harder for authors to produce interoperable sites, which would be the opposite of what even our local personification of the Evil Empire[*] has stated that he wants: "I'd like to enable web developers spend as near as zero time as possible fixing browser interoperability problems." -- <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/0736.html> [*] for the humour-challenged: that's intended as nothing other than humorous ;) In my world people are neither good nor evil. [...] >> If we want the Web's interoperability to improve, we should make it easy for >> authors to produce quality code, not make it harder. A non-conforming IE >> opt-in switch is unacceptable. > > Since a version number isn't sufficient, and Microsoft won't accept a > standardized attribute, what other option is there? I haven't seen Microsoft say that. (But it's quite possible that in the floods on this list I missed it.) My impression was that they are open to a specced switch, but are thus far insisting on a form that is unacceptable to others. -- Sander Tekelenburg The Web Repair Initiative: <http://webrepair.org/>
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