- From: Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:04:49 +0000
- To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "public-html-media@w3.org" <public-html-media@w3.org>
Minutes -> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
21 May 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0099.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-irc
Attendees
Present
+44.303.040.aaaa, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, pal, adrianba,
Plh, markw, johnsim, BobLunbd, +1.760.533.aabb, pladd,
davide
Regrets
Chair
paul cotton
Scribe
adrian bateman
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
2. [6]Previous meeting minutes
3. [7]Review of action items and issues
4. [8]EME status and bugs
5. [9]Any other business
6. [10]Adjournment
* [11]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
paulc: done
Previous meeting minutes
paulc: from may 14
... no comments
Review of action items and issues
ACTION-10?
<trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Adrian Bateman to discuss bug 19208
with johnsim -- due 2013-04-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10
[12] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10
[13]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19208
[13] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19208
johnsim: when we discussed this previously i thought there was
some consolidation
<paulc> last week's minutes said this is a possible duplicate:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-html-media-minutes.html#item03
[14] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-html-media-minutes.html#item03
johnsim: this is about state transitions when the CDM has a key
ACTION-10: this is now about bug 21855 - need to make a
proposal
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with
johnsim.
ACTION-10 due in 1 week
<trackbot> Set ACTION-10 Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim due
date to 1 week.
EME status and bugs
paulc: need to update the copyright with the new text
... see the FPWD
<ddorwin> My email with bug actions:
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013M
ay/0103.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0103.html
paulc: best bet is to find david's email and step through that
... last week i suggested we needed to know who is on point for
various bugs
... there are 10 or 15 items here
... we could open action items for these
... first is Mark to add text to the Editor's Draft per
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013M
ay/0068.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0068.html
<scribe> ACTION: markw to add text to Editor's Draft for bug
21155 [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Add text to Editor's Draft for
bug 21155 [on Mark Watson - due 2013-05-28].
ACTION-12: this action will also track bug 21569
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-12 Add text to Editor's Draft
for bug 21155.
ddorwin: i think we can make the text change for bug 21569 and
that should handle 21155
... we can review next week if that actually happened
paulc: next is Adrian to review comments and add text to the
Editor's Draft for bug 19009
<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to review comments and add text to
editor's draft for bug 19009 [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Review comments and add text to
editor's draft for bug 19009 [on Adrian Bateman - due
2013-05-28].
paulc: next is John Simmons needs to add his comments from the
5/7 telecon
to bug 16857
johnsim: i'm not sure which comment i was supposed to add
... mark has added a comment to 16857
... issue is whether we need a separate error code for not
having a needkey handler
... whether we would force people to have a handler
<paulc> Mark's comment on 16857 is at
[19]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16857#c4
[19] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16857#c4
johnsim: i agree with mark's comment - the error would be used
for protected content and no needkey handler
... the question is how do we resolve this bug
paulc: are you saying that comment 4 records the discussion
johnsim: yes, i think so but i don't think everyone concurs
ddorwin: there is some concern that having this handler might
be a problem
... the action was to record the other side so we can fix it
<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to fix bug 16857 with mark's comment
#4 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Fix bug 16857 with mark's
comment #4 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
<markw> I am not a cross-origin expert
paulc: next is bug 21203
... EME leaks
... information cross-origin
<paulc> Bug
[21]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21203
[21] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21203
<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to add text based on henri's comment
to the spec for bug 21203 [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add text based on henri's
comment to the spec for bug 21203 [on Adrian Bateman - due
2013-05-28].
<paulc> Bug
[23]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21977
[23] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21977
paulc: bug 21977 Swap isTypeSupported() parameter order so
keySystem is
first
ddorwin: looking for feedback - easy change - avoids having the
first parameter be null
jdsmith: i don't have objections
markw: what would happen if someone got them the wrong way
around - might be implementations already
ddorwin: it would fail
markw: it would be easy code to check for this robustly
<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the change in bug 21977
in the draft [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Implement the change in bug
21977 in the draft [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
paulc: next are waiting for comments especially from adrian
16540, 20336, 20798
ddorwin: these are bugs where adrian had made a comment and i
had replied
... one action could address each of them
paulc: not a good practice unless the bugs are related because
doing one bug would result in a partially complete action
ddorwin: worry about having too many actions that duplicate
bugs
adrianba: are the bugs related?
ddorwin: two are key system format and case sensitivity
... could group the first and third
<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to provide feedback on keySystem
string bugs 16540 and 20798 [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Provide feedback on keySystem
string bugs 16540 and 20798 [on Adrian Bateman - due
2013-05-28].
<paulc> Bug
[26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20336
[26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20336
adrianba: i can provide comment on bug 20336 - i stand by my
comment 3, i think it is reasonable to keep this on source, it
works, and there are reasonable use cases
... so i propose just resolving the bug
paulc: editors will resolve 20336 as WORKSFORME
<paulc> Bug
[27]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
[27] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
paulc: bug 19096 - Add 'type'
attribute to MediaKeyNeededEvent
<paulc>
[28]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
[28] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19096
paulc: we will discuss 19096 at the next meeting
... next is bug 18515
[29]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
[29] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
scribe: Provide more details on behavior of the media element
when the key for an encrypted block is not available
... waiting for comments from mark and joe
... not hearing any comments - should put this on the next
agenda
paulc: these bugs are waiting for comments/responses
... 20691 and 20338
... we decided to make the type parameter required
... i was wondering if we should make initdata required too
... which makes the other bug moot
<ddorwin> specifically, this comment:
[30]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691#c3
[30] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691#c3
<paulc> Bug
[31]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691
[31] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20691
paulc: does anyone want to express an opinion on 20691
... i suppose you could implement your recommendation and see
if joe responds
<markw> +1 to Pauls suggestion
paulc: at this stage i think that's what we should do
... rather have things be reopened than not move
<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to implement the changes for 20691 and
20338 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Implement the changes for 20691
and 20338 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-05-28].
paulc: bugs 21854 and 21855 include the words important and
attack
... 21855 is already ACTION-10
ddorwin: this blocks 4 other bugs
[33]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
[33] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
<ddorwin> Dependent bugs:
[34]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/showdependencytree.cgi?id=21
854&hide_resolved=1
[34] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/showdependencytree.cgi?id=21854&hide_resolved=1
johnsim: we will discuss this and make a proposal
<paulc> Blocks: 19809 20622 20991 21855
<scribe> ACTION: [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
08]
<trackbot> Error finding 'johnsim'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
[36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users%3E.
<scribe> ACTION: john will work with adrianba and jdsmith to
make a proposal for bug 21854 [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Will work with adrianba and
jdsmith to make a proposal for bug 21854 [on John Simmons - due
2013-05-28].
action-19 due in 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set ACTION-19 Will work with adrianba and jdsmith to
make a proposal for bug 21854 due date to 2 weeks.
paulc: last bug was 21798 - david needs to update this bug with
feedback
<paulc> Bug
[38]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21798
[38] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21798
ddorwin: others welcome to chime in
paulc: made it through david's list with 10 minutes left
... everyone who has actions items - when they are done you
should update the action item
... good to send a mail to the list
Any other business
paulc: in advance of the MSE pre-last call period i sent
notification to the web and tv IG contacts
... and the reps of the external orgs that talked to us
recently
... got an email saying that they want to know if they should
file questions as bugs
... i said they should file questions but they said they
worried that questions wouldn't be handled before last call
... i'm going to recommend they send in questions
adrianba: concerned that questions aren't always very
actionable
paulc: implication in mail that some of the questions were
follow-ups to last time
... i will suggest they propose more concrete changes
... all i can do is facilitate a dialogue
... i might post the questions for them if necessary and we can
decide how to handle
... next week we will deal with MSE
... a few bugs coming in - maybe some more before pre-last call
deadline
... plan is MSE next week and EME the week after
Adjournment
paulc: think we're done
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
08]
[NEW] ACTION: adrianba to add text based on henri's comment to
the spec for bug 21203 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
04]
[NEW] ACTION: adrianba to provide feedback on keySystem string
bugs 16540 and 20798 [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
06]
[NEW] ACTION: adrianba to review comments and add text to
editor's draft for bug 19009 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
02]
[NEW] ACTION: ddorwin to fix bug 16857 with mark's comment #4
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
03]
[NEW] ACTION: ddorwin to implement the change in bug 21977 in
the draft [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
05]
[NEW] ACTION: ddorwin to implement the changes for 20691 and
20338 [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
07]
[NEW] ACTION: john will work with adrianba and jdsmith to make
a proposal for bug 21854 [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
09]
[NEW] ACTION: markw to add text to Editor's Draft for bug 21155
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-html-media-minutes.html#action
01]
[End of minutes]
From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:30 AM
To: public-html-media@w3.org
Subject: {agenda} HTML WG media telecon 2013-05-21 - EME status and bug discussion
The HTML WG media teleconference meeting will occur on 2013-05-21 for up to 60 minutes from 15:00Z to 16:00Z.
http://timeanddate.com/s/2d74
Tokyo midnight, Amsterdam/Oslo 17:00, London/Dublin 16:00, New Jersey/York 11:00, Kansas City 10:00, Seattle/San Francisco 08:00.
Chair of the meeting: Paul Cotton
Scribe: TBD
(See the end of this email for dial-in and IRC info.)
== Agenda ==
1. Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
2. Previous meeting minutes
http://www.w3.org/2013/05/14-html-media-minutes.html
3. Review of action items and issues
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/
a) ACTION-10: Discuss bug 19208 with johnsim (Adrian)
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/10
b) ISSUE-1: Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
4. EME status and bugs
a) Encrypted Media Extensions editor's draft
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
Last updated on May 6.
Note: Copyright in Editor's draft needs to be updated.
b) Encrypted Media Extensions bugs:
http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
Status as of May 16: 30 bugs
c) [EME] bugs for discussion at the 5/7 telecon, David D
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0004.html
d) ACTION-11: Write a proposal for the case where the data is not available to the JS (Mark Watson)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0068.html
e) Other bugs for discussion
5. Any other business
6. Chair and Scribe for next meeting
7. Adjournment
== Dial-in and IRC Details ==
Zakim teleconference bridge:
+1.617.761.6200, conference 63342 ("media")
https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_5366
Supplementary IRC chat (logged):
#html-media on irc.w3.org port 6665 or port 80
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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