- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:06:35 +0000
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Cc: "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "kirsten@can-adapt.com" <kirsten@can-adapt.com>
- Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmCeu02+S2UVvZMkef9JpAc0rOyj=rhSQK65xgnJgF2qg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi dave, thanks for doing the testing. Note i never claimed that it worked currently as stated in http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/#m6 -- Regards SteveF HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> On 13 January 2014 19:47, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: > A couple of corrections. Dragon NaturallySpeaking misspeaks > > > > > > Hi Steve > > > > I've done some testing with a simple image. > > http://davidmacd.com/test/figure.html > > > > It is a simple image inside the figure tag with placeholder text in the > figcaption. > > > > -Jaws with Internet Explorer and Firefox: : it read the text of the > figcaption but did not announce a figure and did not recognize that there > was a graphic on the page. The Jaws key "G" to read the next graphic does > not work because Jaws does not appear to recognize as a graphic. > > > > -NVDA with Internet Explorer and Firefox: it read the text of the > figcaption but did not announce a figure and did not recognize that there > was a graphic on the page. The key "G" to read the next graphic does not > work because NVDA does not appear to recognize it as a graphic. > > > > -Safari in Maverick: does not recognize the figure element and just > says “group”, then an empty image and the text afterwards as if it was a > paragraph as if there was no relationship between the legend and the > graphic. > > > > -Aviewer and IE: screenshot below... I guess it shows up as a group the > image has not reported Accname. So API seems to only report the content of > the figcaption when the figcaption as focus. > > > > Discussion: I'm really struggling to figure out where I stand on all of > this because the ways things are being reported right now in a Windows > environment does not really allow the screener user to even know that there > is a figure there. It just reads a text of the figcaption without > announcing that it's a figure. In Safari it does announce as a group. It's > hard to tell when the group ends. It just simply has a graphic without an > alternative and then the next time the person arrows down they get the > figcaption which doesn't appear to be a programmatic association except for > the word “group” before the item. VoiceOver screen reader users will have > to get themselves acclimatized to this new type of group. But all in all > I'm quite disappointed with the way it works. It almost seems like this > belongs in that larger discussion about accessible names and alternative > text. Right now it seems there's more success with some of the other > nonstandard alternatives than with figcaption. Which makes it difficult to > say this is okay and the others are not. I'm really committed to unity > between HTML5 and WCAG, but reticent to create a technique that is > sufficient using figcaption right now. And I'm wondering what others think. > > > > [image: SNAGHTML226329] > > > > Cheers, > > David MacDonald > > > > *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100 > > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > > > * Adapting the web to all users* > > * Including those with disabilities* > > > > This e-mail originates from CanAdapt Solutions Inc. Any distribution, use > or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the > intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by > return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank > you. > > > > Le présent courriel a été expédié par CanAdapt Solutions Inc. Toute > distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements > qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire prévu est > interdite. Si vous avez reçu le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > par téléphone (au numéro précité) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans > délai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. > Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. > > > > *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com<faulkner.steve@gmail.com>] > > *Sent:* January 13, 2014 9:58 AM > *To:* Gunderson, Jon R > *Cc:* Alastair Campbell; Joshue O Connor; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: [html-techs-tf] caption vs alt > > > > Hi Jon, you have asked me this question before :-) > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Feb/0093.html > > > -- > > Regards > > SteveF > > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> > > > > On 13 January 2014 14:54, Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > What are the proposed accessibility API mapping for FIGURE and FIGCAPTION > elements? > > > > Is the FIGURE the same as an IMG element, where FIGCAPTION has the same > role as the ALT attribute? > > > > Jon > > > > > > *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 5:50 AM > *To:* Alastair Campbell > *Cc:* Joshue O Connor; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: [html-techs-tf] caption vs alt > > > > > > On 13 January 2014 11:42, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote: > > I seem to remember there was a big discussion about whether @alt should be > required for HTML5, which is a similar issue. I'm not sure what the outcome > was, has that been decided and written down somewhere? > > > > there is one case where an alt attribute is not required: > > > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#when-a-text-alternative-is-not-available-at-the-time-of-publication > > > -- > > Regards > > SteveF > > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> > > >
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