- From: Ranon, Marco <Marco.Ranon@rnib.org.uk>
- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:05:52 -0000
- To: <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi,
Minutes from the 3 March 2011 meeting of the HTML Accessibility Task
Force:
http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-minutes.html
Plain text follows below.
Regards,
Marco
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
03 Mar 2011
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0026.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-irc
Attendees
Present
Eric, John_Foliot, Michael_Cooper, paulc, Gregory_Rosmaita,
Mike_Smith, Marco_Ranon, Cynthia_Shelly, Rich, Martin_Kliehm,
MikeSmith
Regrets
Laura_Carlson, Kenny_Johar, Silvia_Pfieffer, Janina_Sajka
Chair
MikeSmith
Scribe
Marco_Ranon
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Face2Face Planning/Schedule
2. [6]ARIA in HTML Decision & Follow-Up
3. [7]issue 30 (longdesc)
4. [8]bug 11893 (lexical processing rules for ARIA) question
from Hixie
5. [9]canvas subteam
6. [10]media subteam report
7. [11]bug triage
8. [12]aria mapping subteam report
9. [13]f2f planning
10. [14]ARIA Next and HTML5
11. [15]Other Issues WHich Need Immediate Attention
12. [16]open action items
* [17]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 03 March 2011
<MikeSmith> hmm
<paulc> paulc on manual mute
<oedipus> scribe: Marco_Ranon
<oedipus> scribenick: Marco_Ranon
<oedipus> [18]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/
[18] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/
<oedipus> [19]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/results
[19] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/results
<MichaelC> agenda:
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/002
6.html
[20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0026.html
Face2Face Planning/Schedule
MS: survey for f2f meeting survey
... enough people for the f2f
CS: 11 March deadline for registration. Room booked.
GJR: need access for remote users
MS: we can use skype
<oedipus> skype is fine
MS: do we have two rooms for breakout group?
CS: one big room
MS: logistics lined up.
ARIA in HTML Decision & Follow-Up
RS: summary: ARIA will be included in HTML5
... minor issues but acceptable
<oedipus>
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0027.htm
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[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0027.html
<MikeSmith> [22]response from Steve Faulkner to Hixie's request for
specific list of changes requested
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html
RS: authors might not use html5 control so for accessibility is
important that aria is used
<MikeSmith> [23]detailed list of changes from Steve Faulkner
[23] http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html
MS: positive resolution for tis issue, no strong objections
issue 30 (longdesc)
PC: the proposal put together by mostly Laura Carlson have been
considred by the chairs and the issue reopen for LC
... we'll open a call for counter proposals
<JF> +q
PC: any questions?
JF: when is the issue going to be considred? when is the next step?
PC: it's a LC issue
... no dates that apply to pre-LC apply tho this issue
... this also applies to all other LC issues: the chairs are not
asking the WG to do work on this until it's time for LC
... approx May
... but it might be appropriate for a11y people to talk discuss the
issue with other people to try to reach consensus (option to be
perhaps discussed off-line)
<JF> +q
<oedipus> it's called reality
GJR: we've done that already but we want to make clear the need for
the mechanism
PC: we should discuss this option off-line
<oedipus> we have reached the same dead end by travelling many
routes
MS: facilitators will talk about it
<oedipus> those who objected didn't on factual/need grounds, but on
faulty statistics
JF: i think we need to have this conversations
<oedipus> i've been discussing longdesc with IDPF/EPUB and they NEED
longdesc and native describedby by March for their deadline
bug 11893 (lexical processing rules for ARIA) question from Hixie
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/022
4.html
[24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0224.html
<MikeSmith> "What's the spec I should use as the reference for these
rules?"
<oedipus> the reference is in Steve's proposed text
MS: Hixie needs more info
<kliehm> [25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11893
[25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11893
RS: we are working on this. More info after the f2f
MS: will respond to Hixie today
canvas subteam
<oedipus> [26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
[26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
<oedipus> [27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings
[27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings
<oedipus>
[28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings/Minutes
[28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings/Minutes
RS: worked on a counter proposal for issue-131.
PC: march 22 the deadline
<oedipus> [29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<oedipus>
[30]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CaretSelection
[30] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CaretSelection
<paulc> ISSUE-131 Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar 22:
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.htm
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[31]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.html
<MikeSmith>
[32]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-131
[32] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-131
<oedipus> call for alternate proposals for Canvas caret:
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.htm
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[33]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.html
RS: working on issue 131
MS: March 22 is the deadline for all information needed for
decisions prior LC
<oedipus> RS: thanks to chairs for expediting the canvas decision
<oedipus> PC: thanks to those who worked on Canvas
media subteam report
JF: discussion on track. started with 8 solution, now need to
discuss the progress at the f2f to meet the deadline
<oedipus> [34]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
[34] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
JF: discussed issue-9 yesterday. chairs proposed to close the issue
<oedipus> call for consensus/counter proposal for HTML WG Issue-9
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0410.htm
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[35]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0410.html
JF: there is concern that closing issue-9 might affect work in
progress
<oedipus>
[36]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requireme
nts
[36]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
JF: if issue-9 is closed we can still continue
<oedipus> if hixie could at least be in IRC for pinging purposes
that would be a benefit
MS: Hixie might no be at the f2f, but we can ask him to join
<oedipus> HTML WG Issue-9 "video-accessibility" associated with HTML
WG bugs 5758, 8187, 8657, 8658, 8659, 8736
JF: issue-9 was an old issue and we have other issues that relate to
current work by the subteam
... just a couple of outstanding bug
GJR: bug triage subteam sould check the bugs associated to issue-9
<oedipus> HTML WG Issue-9 associated with HTML WG bugs 5758, 8187,
8657, 8658, 8659, 8736
bug triage
MC: we didn't meet. nothing to report
<oedipus> ACTION: kliehm - have bug triage subgroup review the bugs
associated with HTML WG ISSUE-9 (bugs 5758, 8187, 8657, 8658, 8659,
8736) [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - - have bug triage subgroup review
the bugs associated with HTML WG ISSUE-9 (bugs 5758, 8187, 8657,
8658, 8659, 8736) [on Martin Kliehm - due 2011-03-10].
aria mapping subteam report
<kliehm> we are at inbox 0 at the moment for the bug-triage
sub-team.
<MikeSmith> kliehm, cool, thanks
RS: nothing to add to what said before about issue-129
f2f planning
<MikeSmith>
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/002
6.html
[38]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0026.html
MS: proposed topics for f2f in the agenda of this meeting
... we have critical mass
... RS, do we have people for canvas discussion?
RS: not sure if FrankO will be there
MS: we might not have enough to do with canvas
... we should have canvas and media breakouts at the same time
<oedipus> caret in canvas:
[39]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[39] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
MS: Counter proposal to a11y TF proposal for Issue 131. (if it comes
up by March 22)
<oedipus> RichS change proposal for HTML WG Issue-131
[40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CaretSelection
[40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CaretSelection
ARIA Next and HTML5
RS: Aria.next: are there things we need for html5?
<oedipus> call for counter proposals on caret in canvas (deadline 22
March 2011)
[41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.htm
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[41]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0374.html
RS: for example, do we want the equivalent of a longdesc in ARIA?
<JF> +q
Other Issues WHich Need Immediate Attention
JF: there are still some accessibilty related open issues. we are
supposed to hace change proposals by March 22
... should we discuss those issues?
<oedipus> i/JF: there are still some accessiblity/TOPIC: Other
Issues Which Need Immediate Attention/
MS: we are expecting chairs to make decisions on issue 31 and 32
JF: at the f2f we should have a bigger group to discuss open issues
and not only breakout groups
MS: agreed
open action items
<MikeSmith> [42]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
[42] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
<oedipus> action-106?
<trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - prepare keyboard
access high-level issues discussion for F2F -- due 2011-03-03 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/106
[43] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/106
<oedipus> action-105?
<trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - review w3c bugzilla
installation versus newest version 4, coordinate with those who
volunteered, present options and needs -- due 2011-03-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/105
[44] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/105
MS: action-106 on GJR
GJR: will do that
MS: action-105
GJR: looking into this
<MikeSmith> action-104: Rich says this one was done
<trackbot> ACTION-104 Post question to HTML working group on whether
to limit HTML elements in non-visible content such as the Canvas
fallback content notes added
<MikeSmith> close action-104
<trackbot> ACTION-104 Post question to HTML working group on whether
to limit HTML elements in non-visible content such as the Canvas
fallback content closed
<oedipus> GJR needs to reset due date for action-105 (review current
installation now/round-robin improvement suggestions after F2F
<oedipus> [45]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions
[45] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions
<oedipus> GJR set some to "pending review"
MS: to all, please close actions assigned to you that you are not
taking up now, but comment on the reasons
zackim, unmute me
rssagent, make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: kliehm - have bug triage subgroup review the bugs
associated with HTML WG ISSUE-9 (bugs 5758, 8187, 8657, 8658, 8659,
8736) [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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