- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:54:19 -0500 (EST)
- To: Ben Adida <ben@adida.net>
- Cc: Fabien Gandon <Fabien.Gandon@sophia.inria.fr>, public-grddl-wg@w3.org
I am having trouble with the part of our charter [1] that states we
"tutorial materials and use cases sufficient to bootstrap adoption of
GRDDL", "as newer work such as RDFa and Embedded RDF" due to the fact
that a RDFa->RDF/XML GRDDL transformation does not exist and Embedded RDF
does not support XML Schema datatypes. I feel that in both these cases the
ball is clearly in the court of Embedded RDF and RDFa, not the GRDDL WG.
In the case of Embedded RDF, while it allows us to embed some fragment of
RDF, it does not currently work in the example in the primer due to its
lack of ability to support XML Schema Data Types and I refuse
to ship broken examples to Last Call. Perhaps it could be used in the
second section of the primer, although it would complicate the example.
If IanD does not get enough cycles free to respond to either adding
Embedded RDF data-types or changing the examples, we will have no choice
but to remove it from the primer and reference Embedded RDF in the
use-case document.
Re RDFa, we have left the spec open enough so that a GRDDL result is
defined in terms of graphs, not RDF/XML, so a GRDDL result can be a RDFa document.
However, we cannot demonstrate any test cases or put anything in the
primer as of yet concering RDFa except a fairly cursory notice that we
should in theory be able to work with RDFa unless:
1) There is a GRDDL XSLT transformation that takes RDFa marked up-text and
produces RDF/XML (much like Embedded RDF currently does) that can be used
by our test-harness and primer,
or (more work):
2) a RDFa aware parser that produces a graph that can be machine-readable,
and so used directly in our test harness.
and both options requires
3) RDFa to have a stable syntax.
I do not think option 1) is too much to ask from BenA or someone else in
the SWBD WG. However, it needs to happen *soon*, as if we do not get such
a transformation shortly we cannot reference it, as we would like, in the
use-cases or primer document. Otherwise we will not have RDFa appear in
the primer or test-cases and will only give it mention in the Use-Case
scenario.
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Ben Adida wrote:
>
>
> Regrets for me for tomorrow, I have too many meetings this week,
> including a bunch tomorrow.
>
>> However, it would be nice if there was a RDFa->RDF/XML GRDDL
>> transformation and it would be even better if BenA could finish his
>> hGRDDL work to make it into a full GRDDL client.
>
> I don't think I will have time to make hGRDDL into a full GRDDL client.
> Upon further thinking, I'm not sure it even makes sense to do that. I'll
> continue my hGRDDL work, of course, but I don't think we should try to
> make it anything too ambitious.
>
>> Lastly, has the RDFa syntax stabilized?
>
> It's very close.
>
> -Ben
>
>
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--harry
Harry Halpin
Informatics, University of Edinburgh
http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin
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