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Re: LD Glossary - feedback on form of publishing

From: Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:47:08 -0400
Cc: Biplav Srivastava <sbiplav@in.ibm.com>, Ghislain Auguste Atemezing <Auguste.Atemezing@eurecom.fr>, W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
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To: Benedikt Kaempgen <kaempgen@fzi.de>
Hi Benedikt,
Thanks for your efforts & interest to publish the glossary with additional serializations.

Our working group has been working towards consensus using the GLD WG mailing list, not the wiki page.  We made a working group decision to publish the LD Glossary as  Working Group Note over six months ago. We're in the final week of the effort to publish a WG Note.[1]

Per our discussion today, we agreed to have one canonical copy of the LD Glossary in the w3.org namespace to avoid confusion and out-of-date documents found by search engines. 

Having additional serializations (CSV, Turtle, others) has been noted as something that would be nice to have in the future.   Should this WG be extended, or a future group decide to take this up in their charter, we can add the extra serializations feature.  

I hope the intention of the LD Glossary editors (copied) make sense & reflects the discussion of the members.

Thanks,
Bernadette

[1] http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-16


On May 30, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Benedikt Kaempgen <kaempgen@fzi.de> wrote:

> Hi Bernadette,
> 
>> It looks like you hand coded this (incomplete) wiki page?
> I have added a note to the wiki page:
> 
> This is an example for finding consensus on Linked Data Glossary terms using the GLD wiki. For the official and up-to-date publication of the Linked Data Glossary see [https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html].
> 
> We could also rename the page.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Benedikt
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> ________________________________
> Von: Bernadette Hyland [bhyland@3roundstones.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Mai 2013 22:53
> An: Benedikt Kaempgen
> Cc: Biplav Srivastava; W3C public GLD WG WG
> Betreff: Re: LD Glossary - feedback on form of publishing
> 
> Hi Benedikt,
> It looks like you hand coded this (incomplete) wiki page?
> 
> I would prefer that we figure out a way to automatically generate it from the WG Note that has been refined by the working group since it is in the w3.org<http://w3.org> namespace.  I'm concerned about having multiple pages floating around with W3C Linked Data Glossary as the title.
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> I'm all for making distributions in multiple formats available (CSV, Turtle, XML/RDF), but think they should come from canonical source in w3 namespace IMO.  There is a better to do what I think you're aiming to achieve.
> 
> Make sense?
> 
> Cheers,
> Bernadette
> 
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> On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Benedikt Kaempgen <kaempgen@fzi.de<mailto:kaempgen@fzi.de>> wrote:
> 
> Dear Bernadette, Dear Biplav,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> Biplav, good comment, I have typed the Linked Data Glossary as a distribution and added annotations to the download links [3]. I cannot set up the import of vocabularies for skos or dcat since I am not a user with role Administrator of the GLD wiki. Reusing the vocabularies would be nice, but I think it is not the most crucial part. As I see it, it would only mean to type all terms as skos:Concept and the Linked Data Glossary as a dcat:Distribution.
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> The content negotiation now works, also:
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> * For the HTML of the term 5 Star Linked Data do [1]
> * For the RDF of the term 5 Star Linked Data do [2]
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> Regarding a "good stable URI policy", this is given if 1) names of terms do not get changed 2) the GLD wiki stays online after the end of GLD. I guess, this is the case.
> 
> The hard working part would be to add our glossary terms to the GLD wiki via [4]. I can help people with using the wiki version of the glossary, but I do not have time to populate it. One could probably even write a script to import the current status of the glossary into the wiki.
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> But I also completely understand Bernadette that we do not have time to change things we resolved, already. The Linked Data distribution of the GLD glossary would be a nice add-on if time permits.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Benedikt
> 
> [1] curl -L -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:URIResolver/5_Star_Linked_Dat
> [2] curl -L -H "Accept: text/html" http://w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:URIResolver/5_Star_Linked_Data
> [3] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Glossary>
> [4] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Category:Linked_Data_term>
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> ________________________________
> Von: Biplav Srivastava [sbiplav@in.ibm.com<mailto:sbiplav@in.ibm.com>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. März 2013 17:42
> An: Bernadette Hyland
> Cc: Benedikt Kaempgen; public-gld-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-gld-wg@w3.org>
> Betreff: Re: LD Glossary - feedback on form of publishing
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> Hi Benedikt:
> 
> I personally like the way you have laid out the linked data glossary. A further comment is that we could use some of the dcat terms as illustrations because (a) the glossary came from GLD which is also producing dcat, and (b) a glossary intrinsically is a catalog / collection of data (concepts).
> 
> Now that we have the recommendations of WG chairs, if you decide to build further, I can volunteer help.
> 
> Regards,
> --Biplav
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> From:   Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com<mailto:bhyland@3roundstones.com>>
> To:     Benedikt Kaempgen <kaempgen@fzi.de<mailto:kaempgen@fzi.de>>
> Cc:     "public-gld-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-gld-wg@w3.org>" <public-gld-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-gld-wg@w3.org>>
> Date:   03/19/2013 07:03 PM
> Subject:        Re: LD Glossary - feedback on form of publishing
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> Hi Benedikt,
> Thank you for your feedback regarding the LD glossary.  The world would be a better place if more people published more content as Linked Data.
> 
> The GLD WG has had several conversations about publishing the LD Glossary during Summer 2012. [1]  We resolved to publish the glossary as a Working Group Note in March 203. [2]  We're pushing up the end of our charter and do not have time to change things we've resolved in the interest of time.
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> That said, I encourage you to republish the glossary as LD as long as it conforms to good stable URI policy.  You don't have to sell anyone on the benefits of publishing the content as RDF (RDF/XML, Turtle/RDF, etc), there is agreement on all of that.
> 
> If you choose to do this using Semantic MediaWiki, please feel free to do so.  For clarification, the GLD does not "feature Semantic MediaWiki", rather Semantic MediaWiki is a piece of tooling provided by the W3C that our group and others can use AFAIK.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bernadette Hyland, co-chair
> W3C Government Linked Data Working Group
> Charter: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/
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> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-23
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> [2]  see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-14#resolution_1
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> On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Benedikt Kaempgen <kaempgen@fzi.de<mailto:kaempgen@fzi.de>> wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> I have feedback regarding the Linked Data glossary. Sorry that I did not speak up, yesterday, but I first had to get my head around it.
> 
> Looking at the Linked Data glossary [5], I am happy that the GLD has produced something like this; the form it is published, however, I am not too fond of.
> 
> For me, a glossary always also is a kind of vocabulary and I am strongly in favor of publishing the glossary as Linked Data.
> 
> Publishing the glossary as a Working Group Note representing the state of the glossary on 15 May 2013, I do not mind, however, I suggest to have a live version of the glossary in the GLD wiki.
> 
> I have started to create such a version [6].
> 
> This would bring the following advantages.
> 
> 1) Since GLD features Semantic MediaWiki, every page is automatically also published as Linked Data. Therefore, every term gets a URI, e.g.,
> 
> * Term: "5 Star Linked Data"
> * HTML page in wiki: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/5_Star_Linked_Data
> * Information resource (RDF): http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:ExportRDF/5_Star_Linked_Data
> * Non-information resource: http://w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:URIResolver/5_Star_Linked_Data
> 
> This means, publishers can reuse our Linked Data terms in their datasets and vocabularies.
> 
> Semantic MediaWiki supports content negotiation (GLD wiki currently does not, which is strange) and we could also set it up to serve nicer URIs [1].
> 
> 2) The glossary can be updated more easily. Just see [4] to add a new Linked Data term.
> 
> 3) One can watch Linked Data terms (so that you get noticed when terms change) and check the history of terms (including information about the person who did the change). Also, every page has a discussion page where one can discuss the meaning of a term without interfering with its current content.
> 
> 4) We can add all kinds of more unstructured information to a "Linked Data term", e.g., links, pictures. Also, we are flexible to add more structured annotations to terms, e.g., owl:sameAs or skos:broader / skos:narrower links; those would also be published as Linked Data.
> 
> 5) We can provide the entire glossary as downloadable XML/RDF [2] or Turtle/RDF file [3].
> 
> I would be happy to hear your opinion on this.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Benedikt
> 
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> [1] <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Pretty_URIs>
> [2] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:Ask/-5B-5BCategory:Linked-20Data-20term-5D-5D/-3FShort-20description/-3FHas-20reference/format%3Drdf/syntax%3Drdfxml/limit%3D500>
> [3] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Special:Ask/-5B-5BCategory:Linked-20Data-20term-5D-5D/-3FShort-20description/-3FHas-20reference/format%3Drdf/syntax%3Dturtle/limit%3D500>
> [4] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Category:Linked_Data_term>
> [5] <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html>
> [6] <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Glossary>
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