- From: Biplav Srivastava <sbiplav@in.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:08:39 +0530
- To: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Cc: Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com>, W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
Hi Sandro, This looks fine, and all the terms mentioned in the description are also explained in the glossary. So, self-contained as well. Regards, --Biplav From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org> To: Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com> Cc: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org> Date: 23/05/2013 08:30 AM Subject: Re: Final Linked Data Glossary (was Re: def'n of resource?) On 05/22/2013 07:12 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote: In general, the glossary is great, but the current text on 5 star is not okay. I can live with dropping it (for now), or just pointing to Tim's page, but not the current definition which never even mentions RDF. Sorry. Bernadette asked me to make another suggestion for the wording. I can see how my earlier suggestions were a bit verbose for this context. First, a reminder what Tim says 4-stars and 5-stars mean: 4: RDF Standards 5: Linked RDF That's a little terse (so it could fit on the mug). As a middle ground how about: 4: Publish data on the Web as RDF (eg Turtle, RDFa, JSON-LD, SPARQL) 5: In your RDF, have the identifiers be links (URLs) to useful data sources Okay? Can we live with that? -- Sandro Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com> wrote: Hi, Remaining feedback folded in especially in relation to definition of "Resource", addition of "Web Resource" and fixing 5 star LOD definition. Also updated normative references in doc. Linked Data Glossary Draft 21-May 2013 [1] is ready for publication once run through one last PubRules check. (Last week the WG approved to publish as a WG Note.) NB: Editorial changes are to keep tone consistent with rest of the document, however were not intended to alter the proposed meaning. If this unintentionally happened, please notify asap. Reference to RFC 3986 was made elsewhere so I dropped from below proposal so as to not sound repetitive. Again, we're striving for simplicity and for this to be a glossary of terms for Web developers, not the anointed per se. All OK now per your feedback?? -----%<------- 90. Resource In an RDF context, a resource can be anything that an RDF graph describes. A resource can be addressed by a Unified Resource Identifier (URI). See also Resource Description Framework (RDF) 1.1 Concepts and Abstract Syntax [RDF11-CONCEPTS] 127. Web Resource A web page addressed by a URL. Examples include: an HTML web page, an image offered by a web server, or a dataset accessible by a URL. A Web Resource may have different representations. For example, an RDF database might be accessed at a single URL using multiple syntaxes, such as RDFa, JSON-LD, and Turtle. See also Hypertext Transfer Protocol HTTP/1.1 [RFC2616]. Cheers, Bernadette Hyland [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html On May 8, 2013, at 5:48 AM, Dave Reynolds <Dave.e.Reynolds@gmail.com> wrote: On 08/05/13 05:39, Bernadette Hyland wrote: Hi Sandro, The editors have folded in all comments received in relation to the LD Glossary. Please see latest version. [1] For Thursday's telecon, would you create a diff previously approved for publication (April) & the May 7th (current). Also, need a new Overview.html file run through PubRules. I'm done until we get further feedback. Thanks for your help on this. --- Regarding "Resource", I've simplified to include only one definition. In keeping with my new mantra, "keep it simple", how does this this sit with you & others? Personally I prefer Sandro's suggestion. I imagine that at least some people reading the glossary will be aware of the notion of REST and might expect something more like the entry for Web Resource. Having both solves that problem. However, it's not something I would argue strongly over. Dave 89. Resource In an RDF context, a resource can be anything that an RDF graph describes. A resource can be addressed by a Unified Resource Identifier (URI) <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html#uniform-resource-identifier> . Keep in mind that this LD Glossary is a starting point for those new to Linked Data. We don't want to scare people, it is the 'welcome basket' not the definitive guide for the working LD expert (which is found elsewhere on the W3C site). Cheers, Bernadette [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html Sandro wrote: I've thought about more than most people have thought about food PS. Clearly you haven't met my 15 year old son who pretty much only thinks about food ;-) On May 7, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Sandro Hawke < sandro@w3.org <mailto:sandro@w3.org>> wrote: def'n of resource? Bernadette and I were working on actually publishing the Glossary, which the group approved for publication, and I noticed a little problem: 86. Resource A resource is anything that can be addressed by a Unified Resource Identifier (URI) <file:///home/sandro/Repos/gld/glossary/diff.html#uniform-resource-identifiers> . ... 93. Resource A resource is a network data object or service that can be identified by an HTTP URI. Resources may be available in multiple representations (e.g. multiple languages, data formats, size, and resolutions) or vary in other ways. See details from RFC 2616bis for details on Uniform Resource Identifiers. See details from RFC 2616bis for details on Uniform Resource Identifiers. The definition of Resource is something I've thought about more than most people have thought about food. I suggest we call the second one "Web Resource", and explain, like this: *Resource* (Not to be confused with _Web Resource_) An entity. Saying that something is a resource says nothing at all about it, because by the definition of the term, everything is a resource. For more details see Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic Syntax (RFC 3986) [1] and Resource Description Framework (RDF) 1.1 Concepts [2]. *Web Resource* Anything which is addressed by a URL; roughly speaking, a web page. Examples include: an HTML web page, an image offered by a web server, or a dataset available for access at some URL. A resource may change its state over time and have different representations of the same state. For example, a webcam might offer both JPEG and PNG versions of its current image, at the same URL, using content negotiation, or an RDF database might be accessed at one URL using multiple syntaxes, such as RDFa, JSON-LD, and Turtle. For more details see Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1 [3] Sometimes Web Resources are just called "Resources". In some contexts, this can cause unnecessary confusion. The difference is related to the distinction between URLs (which identify Web Resources) and URIs (which identify Resources in general), as discussed in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305#page-3 [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#resources-and-statements [3] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/rfc2616bis/draft-lafon-rfc2616bis-04.html#intro.terminology I hope that works for folks. Bernadette made some other changes, so we're going to ask the WG for approval again before publishing. I'll be sending along a pointer to the new version and the diffs once I have it passing pubrules. -- Sandro
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