- From: Christophe Dupriez <dupriez@destin.be>
- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:41:03 +0200
- To: Thomas Francart <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>, Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>, SKOS <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <53BA6B2F.6040108@destin.be>
Thanks Thomas for recalling your long standing contribution to SKOS in
French!
I agree fully with your suggestions.
Looking at http://francart.fr/traduction-francaise-skos/ , I would only
question "Libellé préférentiel".
May be "favori", "préféré" or "principal" would be easier to say
and to understand?
For "Concept Scheme", it is truly a difficult concept. I doubt "scheme"
is clear to English speakers either.
What is creating the "identity" of the term "Concept Scheme" ?
* something like a "Classification Scheme", a frame to help an indexer
when categorizing information?
How to translate "Concept Scheme" in this context? "Schéma
conceptuel" sounds the best to me
("schéma de classement" is 29k times in Google and "schème de
classement" appears 72 times)
Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%A9ma_conceptuel
* its usage? its authorship or origin?
"Concept Feed" could be clearer then ("Source de Concepts" in French).
* its coherent relation interlinkage?
"Concept Tree" (or Structure or ? ...) would be clearer
("Arborescence de Concepts" or "Structure de Concepts" in French)
Have a very nice day,
Christophe
Twitter @ChristopheDupri
Le 7/07/2014 10:49, Thomas Francart a écrit :
> Hi
>
> "étiquette" in French sounds more like "a price tag you may find
> attached to a shirt in a clothing store". I have used "libellé" to
> translate "label", and I have heard everyone around me using this term
> without complaining.
> Some other french translations suggestions can be found at
> http://francart.fr/traduction-francaise-skos/
> Some other improvement suggestions :
>
> * "a le concept racine" : "a pour concept racine" (the former could
> imply there is only one root, while there may be multiple)
> * editorialNote might be better translated by "note éditoriale"
> rather than "note rédactionnelle" (the notion of "éditorial"
> reffering to the work people are doing to maintain the thesaurus)
> * the notion of "match" (in broadMatch, closeMatch, etc.) is usually
> translated in this context as "alignement" rather than
> "correspondance" ("alignement spécifique" rather than
> "correspondance spécifique", etc.); skos:mappingRelation would be
> "relation d'alignement"
> * skos:ConceptScheme might be the trickiest to translate, since
> there is no equivalent in french of the notion of "scheme"; french
> "schema" _sounds_ close, but clearly does not have the same
> meaning; at least it does not disconcert french natives that know
> the original english word "concept scheme". Semantically speaking
> though, "aggrégation de concepts" or "structure de concepts" are
> closer.
>
> Thanks for this work, have you considered contributing to this :
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2014Jun/0098.html
> (see following thread) ?
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> 2014-07-05 13:40 GMT+02:00 Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch
> <mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>>:
>
> Thank you Christophe!
>
> Indeed I have spent quite a time on the French "label" in order to
> match all criteria...
> it seems that Rameau (France) speaks of "étiquettes" ("étiquettes
> préferentielles"), but there are others speaking of "libellé"
> (http://francart.fr/traduction-francaise-skos/). Since "libellé"
> sounds to me (as a native italian) as a kind of past tense, I had
> proposed and preferred "étiquette" (sounding simpler ?) - Of
> course I would like to take the decision of a French person.
>
> Thank you for your opinion on the other terms! Soon I will post an
> updated doc.
>
> @ITALIAN - Anyone who would like to give some ideas on italian?
>
> I wish you all a nice weekend
>
> Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse
> /Fabio Ricci/
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> On 2.7.14 14:48, Christophe Dupriez wrote:
>> Très bon travail Fabio! Très utile!
>>
>> Some problems with accented letters in french though...
>>
>> And also the terminological choices for french would have to be
>> discussed:
>>
>> "Libellé" or "étiquette" ? I prefer the 1st
>> "Collection" et non "collecte" ("collecte" is mainly for
>> collecting funds, garbage...)
>> "Primaire" or "Racine" ? I prefer the 2nd. "Sommet" would be
>> another contender... Or "Culminant"?!
>>
>> "Relation de mappage" vs "Correspondances" (to be discussed)
>> Related: "lié"? I think "relié" would be better.
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Christophe Dupriez
>> Twitter @ChristopheDupri
>> Contributor to ASKOSI.org
>>
>> Le 2/07/2014 11:08, Fabio Ricci a écrit :
>>> Dear Antoine, dear W3C Semantic Web Community,
>>>
>>> http://semweb.ch started 2013 in Switzerland as a small
>>> enterprise offering services mainly in the field of semantic web.
>>> 2014 Semantic Web Company (Vienna) and semweb LLC started a
>>> cooperation based on SKOS services around PoolParty (c).
>>> Works are strongly based on the SKOS model for the Swiss
>>> audience and Switzerland speaks at least four languages.
>>>
>>> After having studied the current SKOS standards and their
>>> translations, I noticed that translation works are not really
>>> homomorphic to the reference document
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-skos-reference-20090818, some
>>> translations could be improved and some works are dated 2005 (9
>>> years ago). Therefore I decided to issue a language mapping
>>> document for SKOS including the four languages English, German,
>>> French and Italian at one time (included in this post as
>>> attachment) on the basis of the reference document. The document
>>> is intended to be a help for all those translators which are not
>>> native in some of the languages (...), hence finding already
>>> some few inflection forms speeding up their translation work.
>>> The green marked textes are my preferred vs. current ones in
>>> black if there are any current ones.
>>>
>>> I hope this will helpful.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much in advance and congratulations for all your
>>> previous and current work!
>>>
>>> Fabio Ricci
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