- From: Johan De Smedt <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:34:32 +0200
- To: "'Antoine Isaac'" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, "'SKOS'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>, "Thomas Francart" <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>
- Message-ID: <02b601cecbbb$58281db0$08785910$@tenforce.com>
Thomas, Antoine,
Not having French as my mother tongue, I still will try to make a comment on "node labels".
ISO 25964 defines node labels as a separate set of labels that typically are used as name of an array of concepts or of a facet.
Therefore, rules or recommendations for preferred, alternative or hidden labels do not apply to node labels.
The document Correspondences between ISO 25964 and SKOS/SKOS-XL <http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS> [1] maps Thesaurus array to a sub-class of skos:Collection.
It suggests using rdfs:label for the (ISO 25964) node-label.
[1] http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS
Kind Regards,
Johan De Smedt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antoine Isaac [mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, 17 October, 2013 18:01
> To: SKOS
> Subject: Re: French translation of SKOS Reference available
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> OK!
> I won't push further on the discussion on those points. After all we're not translating something as
> technical as the RDF Spec here, the translator shall be given his freedom of interpretation :-)
> And I've just realized that <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr has
> "schéma de concepts" for ConceptScheme anyway...
>
> The only tricky point remains 'node labels'. Again if there's no feedback on the list, you should keep to
> your prefered choice!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Antoine
>
>
> >
> > Dear Antoine
> >
> > Thank you very much for your detailled feedback, answers below.
> >
> >
> >
> > =========
> >
> > Compatibilité can be replaced by "cohérence", in line with the logical notion. Consistency is really
> <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29
> < <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coh%C3%A9rence_%28logique%29>.
> >
> >
> > Thank you. I was lacking the correct english/french logical vocabulary here, I am glad to find someone
> that can point me to a definition. So I have replaced with "cohérence".
> >
> >
> > To me, "schémas" blurs the distinction between schemes and schemas in English. Not sure I get this
> one entirely, but at least I'd say that "scheme" can have a more informal meaning than "schemas". In
> our context I'd liken schema to "metadata schema" (à la Dublin Core) or "database schema".
> > I note that in a couple of places you have used "Schémes de Concepts"
> >
> >
> > The typo on "Schémes de Concepts" is fixed.
> > To be honest in French "schéma de concepts" sounds horrible (I think) but at least is close to the
> English word and to the URI, so people can easily relate these; a more appropriate french label could
> be "Structure de Concepts" or "Arrangement de Concepts".
> >
> >
> > I'd translate "range" by "codomaine" rather than "portée".
> >
> >
> > I find "codomaine" really too mathematical for people reading the spec, but I agree than "portée"
> was not a good choice. I have replaced it with "ensemble d'arrivée" that seems less opaque for
> someone without a logical/mathematical background.
> >
> > "Node labels (note du traducteur : sans doute la notion de "facettes")"
> > -> I'm quite sure it's not facettes, but I'm not 100% sure what it could be. In an old translation
> Bernard has used "étiquettes"
> > <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-__swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/__fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-__swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/__fr
> < <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-skos-core-spec-20051102/fr>
> >
> >
> > I think "étiquettes" stands for "labels" only. Here the spec talks about skos:Collection that can be
> used to "provide support for node labels within thesauri"; anyone knows what "node labels" are in this
> context ?
> >
> > Status de ce Document: Status?
> >
> >
> > Schémas de Concept -> Schémas de Concepts (in Table of Contents and a couple of other places)
> >
> > "SKOS Overview" was ketp in English (only in table of contents)
> >
> > Préférrés->Préférés
> >
> >
> > Types de Donnée -> Types de Données
> >
> > Définitions des Classes & et des Propriétés
> >
> >
> > all the above are fixed.
> >
> >
> > les thesaurus -> les thesauri (in accordance to choices made in other parts of the doc)
> >
> >
> > Well, I have checked, and "thésaurus" is actually the correct French plural ("thesauri" doesn't exist in
> French). So I have put "thésaurus" everywhere to be consistent.
> >
> > ambigüe -> ambiguë
> >
> >
> > fixed
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
> > =========
> >
> > (French version see below)
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> > I am pleased to share with you the French translation of the SKOS recommendation :
> <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html < <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-
<http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> > francais.html>
> > See also the completed translation announcement : <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> > translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html < <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> > translators/2013OctDec/0004.html>
> >
> > Comments on the translation are most welcome.
> > Best
> > Thomas
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Bonjour
> >
> > J'ai le plaisir de vous annoncer la traduction française de la recommandation SKOS :
> <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-__traduction-francais.html < <http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-
<http://sparna.fr/skos/SKOS-traduction-francais.html> > francais.html>
> > Voir également l'annonce de la réalisation de la traduction :
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/w3c-translators/__2013OctDec/0004.html
> < <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/2013OctDec/0004.html>
> >
> > Tous les commentaires sur cette traduction seront les bienvenus;
> > en espérant qu'elle puisse favoriser l'utilisation de SKOS.
> >
> > Bien à vous
> > Thomas
> >
> > --
> > *
> > *
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *
> > *
> > *Thomas Francart* - Sparna
> > Consultant Indépendant
> > Data, Sémantique, Contenus, Connaissances
> > web : <http://sparna.fr> http://sparna.fr, blog : <http://francart.fr> http://francart.fr
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