Re: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3 Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)

2022年12月8日(木) 21:54 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>:

> Wouldn't an ISO status for the EPUB A11y document cover this?
>

It is not possible to make an EPUB publication
conform to both EPUB A11Y 1.0 and 1.1.
See https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2483

Regards,
Makoto



>
> Ivan
>
> On 8 Dec 2022, at 13:26, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <
> cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org> wrote:
>
> Hi I think we also need to evaluate the impact on the EU standard for the
> Accessibility Act.
> Thanks
> Cristina
>
>
> *Da: *Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> *Data: *giovedì 8 dicembre 2022, 11:03
> *A: *Makoto Murata <eb2mmrt@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"Shinya Takami (高見真也)" <takami-s@kadokawa.jp>, W3C EPUB 3 Working
> Group <public-epub-wg@w3.org>
> *Oggetto: *Re: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3
> Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)
> *Rinviato da: *<public-epub-wg@w3.org>
> *Data rinvio: *Thu, 08 Dec 2022 10:03:22 +0000
>
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>
> On 8 Dec 2022, at 10:53, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ivan,
>
>
> ISO submission put aside, we will have to decide whether we want to turn
> the EPUB 3.3 publication into a "living standard" or not. "Living standard"
> means the following. Once this WG runs out of its charter, we set up a
> low-key "maintenance WG", which handles errata and, possibly, looks at the
> outstanding issues (see [1] for those at the moment). The WG will have the
> possibility to make 'fast-track' updates of the EPUB 3.3 by, for example,
> handling errata but, more importantly, solving another issue listed in [1]
> and adding a new normative feature (remember the discussion we had on
> Webtoons in [2]). Fast track means that we do not have to go through a WG
> draft, it ends up "editing" an existing standard quickly. Bottom line: we
> may end up issuing a new version of EPUB 3.3 once a year, or once every 18
> months if necessary.
>
> Coming back to the original issue: Makoto, can you tell us what that would
> mean in terms of ISO? Can ISO accept such quick turnover on new versions?
> How long does it take to submit a new version of EPUB 3.3 via the PAS
> procedure? The danger is that, with a Living EPUB 3.3 standard, we would
> get out of sync with ISO very quickly, which would beat the purpose of a
> PAS submission.
>
>
> I should speak with the SC34 secretariat, but here is my understanding.
> If JTC1 receives a PAS submission from W3C, there will be a six-month
> ballot.  I guess that an international standard will be published
> seven-month
> after the PAS submission.  Directives say nothing about the frequency of
> submissions.  Since ISO only has to attach a cover page, I do not think
> ISO will have a problem even if a PAS submission is made every year.
>
>
> Let us have some discussion in the WG first to see what our wishes and
> plans are. Contacting the SC34 secretariat at that point might indeed be a
> good idea, thanks for offering it. We also have to find out whether a PAS
> submission is a big admin step or not (I do not think it is, but one may
> never know).
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheers
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ivan
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AStatus-Deferred
> <https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:Status-Deferred>
> [2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2412
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2022, at 03:58, Shinya Takami <takami-s@kadokawa.jp> wrote:
>
> Murata-san,
>
> Could you explain what and who should do for that at the call?
>
>
> Thanks
> Shinya
>
>
>
> 2022年12月8日(木) 9:55 MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com>:
>
> All,
>
> > What do we do after EPUB 3.3?
>
> I propose to submit EPUB 3.3, EPUB RS 3.3, and
> EPUB A11Y 1.1 to ISO/IEC JTC1 using the PAS
> submission procedure.  In my understanding, the
> PAS agreement between W3C and JTC1 implies
> that JTC1 will attach cover pages and will not touch
> anything.  This is how WCAG 2.0 was published
> as ISO/IEC 40500:2012.
>
> Replacing old versions in JTC1 by new versions
> is good for avoiding unnecessary confusion.  In
> particular, I can start to revise the JIS version
> of EPUB A11Y.
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
> 2022年12月7日(水) 23:20 Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>:
>
> Thursday 8 December 2022
> Time: 7:00 PM Boston (60min)
> Local date/time link: *https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting&iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting&iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1>*
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>
> Connection details at end of note
>
> Topics:
> 1 – Testing Updates [1]
> 2 – MIME Sniffing [2]
> 3 – What do we do after EPUB 3.3?
>
> Links
> [1]  https://w3c.github.io/epub-tests/results
> [2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2491
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