Re: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3 Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)

Wouldn't an ISO status for the EPUB A11y document cover this?

Ivan

> On 8 Dec 2022, at 13:26, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org> wrote:
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> Hi I think we also need to evaluate the impact on the EU standard for the Accessibility Act.
> Thanks
> Cristina
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> Da: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
> Data: giovedì 8 dicembre 2022, 11:03
> A: Makoto Murata <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>>
> Cc: "Shinya Takami (高見真也)" <takami-s@kadokawa.jp <mailto:takami-s@kadokawa.jp>>, W3C EPUB 3 Working Group <public-epub-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-epub-wg@w3.org>>
> Oggetto: Re: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3 Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)
> Rinviato da: <public-epub-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-epub-wg@w3.org>>
> Data rinvio: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 10:03:22 +0000
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>> On 8 Dec 2022, at 10:53, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Ivan,
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>>> ISO submission put aside, we will have to decide whether we want to turn the EPUB 3.3 publication into a "living standard" or not. "Living standard" means the following. Once this WG runs out of its charter, we set up a low-key "maintenance WG", which handles errata and, possibly, looks at the outstanding issues (see [1] for those at the moment). The WG will have the possibility to make 'fast-track' updates of the EPUB 3.3 by, for example, handling errata but, more importantly, solving another issue listed in [1] and adding a new normative feature (remember the discussion we had on Webtoons in [2]). Fast track means that we do not have to go through a WG draft, it ends up "editing" an existing standard quickly. Bottom line: we may end up issuing a new version of EPUB 3.3 once a year, or once every 18 months if necessary.
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>>> Coming back to the original issue: Makoto, can you tell us what that would mean in terms of ISO? Can ISO accept such quick turnover on new versions? How long does it take to submit a new version of EPUB 3.3 via the PAS procedure? The danger is that, with a Living EPUB 3.3 standard, we would get out of sync with ISO very quickly, which would beat the purpose of a PAS submission.
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>> I should speak with the SC34 secretariat, but here is my understanding.
>> If JTC1 receives a PAS submission from W3C, there will be a six-month
>> ballot.  I guess that an international standard will be published seven-month
>> after the PAS submission.  Directives say nothing about the frequency of
>> submissions.  Since ISO only has to attach a cover page, I do not think
>> ISO will have a problem even if a PAS submission is made every year.
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> Let us have some discussion in the WG first to see what our wishes and plans are. Contacting the SC34 secretariat at that point might indeed be a good idea, thanks for offering it. We also have to find out whether a PAS submission is a big admin step or not (I do not think it is, but one may never know).
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> Thanks
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> Cheers
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> Ivan
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>> Regards,
>> Makoto
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>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AStatus-Deferred <https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:Status-Deferred>
>>> [2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2412 <https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2412>
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>>>> On 8 Dec 2022, at 03:58, Shinya Takami <takami-s@kadokawa.jp <mailto:takami-s@kadokawa.jp>> wrote:
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>>>> Murata-san,
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>>>> Could you explain what and who should do for that at the call?
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>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Shinya
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>>>> 2022年12月8日(木) 9:55 MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>>:
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> > What do we do after EPUB 3.3?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I propose to submit EPUB 3.3, EPUB RS 3.3, and
>>>>> EPUB A11Y 1.1 to ISO/IEC JTC1 using the PAS
>>>>> submission procedure.  In my understanding, the
>>>>> PAS agreement between W3C and JTC1 implies
>>>>> that JTC1 will attach cover pages and will not touch
>>>>> anything.  This is how WCAG 2.0 was published
>>>>> as ISO/IEC 40500:2012.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Replacing old versions in JTC1 by new versions
>>>>> is good for avoiding unnecessary confusion.  In
>>>>> particular, I can start to revise the JIS version
>>>>> of EPUB A11Y.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Makoto
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2022年12月7日(水) 23:20 Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com <mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>>:
>>>>>> Thursday 8 December 2022
>>>>>> Time: 7:00 PM Boston (60min)
>>>>>> Local date/time link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting&iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1 <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting&iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1>
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>>>>>> Connection details at end of note
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>>>>>> Topics:
>>>>>> 1 – Testing Updates [1]
>>>>>> 2 – MIME Sniffing [2]
>>>>>> 3 – What do we do after EPUB 3.3?
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>>>>>> Links
>>>>>> [1]  https://w3c.github.io/epub-tests/results <https://w3c.github.io/epub-tests/results>
>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2491 <https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2491>
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