Re: Language in eocred

Phil,

I appreciate this discussion. I'm trying to get my head around an economy
of credentials. A German (or any company where the corporate culture has a
monolingual language component) would be looking for someone with a certain
set of credentials. Would such a company's HR department limit their search
to credentialing organizations that only offer "German" credentials? Rather
than looking for a universal set of "Credentials" and then also for a
competency or credential of "German". Take the case of a materials chemist
for working in the solar manufacturing industry. Let's assume that a German
Company wants to fill a new opening. They start their recruitment search.
The team they want to recruit for will be German speaking team. Where do
they start their search?

- Hugh


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello Hugh
> On 12/03/18 17:19, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
>
> I have a use case for competency/credential discovery.
>
> I want to find pilots who not only speak German as a competency, or
> received a German Federal aviation credential, but trained for their
> Aviation certificates using the German language.
>
> So more broadly this is a use case where the knowledge was expressed in a
> language.
>
>
> I think that there are two options from the existing use cases that would
> cover this type of requirement:
> a, we consider it as a competence just like any other, and express it as
> such; or
> b, we say it is a requirement that is not really a competence, for which
> we have the eligibility requirements
> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Eligibility_requirements>
> use case
>
> The demonstrated ability to express knowledge in a given language could be
> case (a); to have been undertaken aviation training in the medium of German
> could be case (b).
>
>
> If we take this to the case of math skills, or the completion of some
> Algebra course, I want to know what language the course was taught in.
>
>
> As was the case when we discussed costs, I think we need to be careful to
> distinguish between the Credential, Learning Opportunities that can lead to
> the credential, and Assessments that must be passed before the credential
> is awarded.
>
>
> have we covered this yet as a use case in :https://www.w3.org/community/
> eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases
>
> 1. The text book for a maths course in German could use the LRMI language
> attribute.
>
>    - inLanguage     schema.org/Language     The primary language of the
>       resource.
>
> Agreed. We can specify the language of learning resources
> (schema:CreativeWork) that are relevant to the credential
>
> 2. The maths course was taught in German could be described by
> ______________.
>
> A schema:Course is a CreativeWork, and a CourseInstance is an Event, so we
> can use the inLanguage property for these as well.
>
> 3. The Credential offered seems to be agnostic to language considerations
> as it is just a credential unless we are using a language tag to describe
> the language used in the credential's essence.
>
> Sure, if Credential is a type of CreativeWork we have various ways of
> talking about its language, translations, and instances/embodiments
> <http://schema.org/workExample> of it.
>
> 4. Any given competency may have an equivalent in another schema but be
> expressed in another natural language. (That is, there may be a German
> standard for competencies that has been aligned to an English standard for
> competencies, but what is missing seems to be the element that the
> competency was expressed in a particular natural language.)
>
> There is no way of expressing competences in schema.org at the moment.
> As Stuart said, there have been suggestions about how CategoryCode /
> DefinedTerm could be used, and how it could be extended into something a
> little bit more SKOS-like. A DefinedTerm would be part of a DefinedTermSet,
> which is a subtype of CreativeWork. So if they were used as the basis for
> describing competencies and competence frameworks, then the language of a
> Competence Framework could be provided. I am inclined to think that the
> detailed modeling of competencies is a rabbit hole that we shouldn't go too
> far down.
>
> Phil
>
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