Re: Language in eocred

Hello Hugh

On 12/03/18 17:19, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
> I have a use case for competency/credential discovery.
>
> I want to find pilots who not only speak German as a competency, or 
> received a German Federal aviation credential, but trained for their 
> Aviation certificates using the German language.
> So more broadly this is a use case where the knowledge was expressed 
> in a language.

I think that there are two options from the existing use cases that 
would cover this type of requirement:
a, we consider it as a competence just like any other, and express it as 
such; or
b, we say it is a requirement that is not really a competence, for which 
we have the eligibility requirements 
<https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Eligibility_requirements> 
use case

The demonstrated ability to express knowledge in a given language could 
be case (a); to have been undertaken aviation training in the medium of 
German could be case (b).

>
> If we take this to the case of math skills, or the completion of some 
> Algebra course, I want to know what language the course was taught in.

As was the case when we discussed costs, I think we need to be careful 
to distinguish between the Credential, Learning Opportunities that can 
lead to the credential, and Assessments that must be passed before the 
credential is awarded.
>
> have we covered this yet as a use case in 
> :https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases
>
> 1. The text book for a maths course in German could use the LRMI 
> language attribute.
>
>       o inLanguage schema.org/Language <http://schema.org/Language>
>             The primary language of the resource.
>
Agreed. We can specify the language of learning resources 
(schema:CreativeWork) that are relevant to the credential

> 2. The maths course was taught in German could be described by 
> ______________.
A schema:Course is a CreativeWork, and a CourseInstance is an Event, so 
we can use the inLanguage property for these as well.

> 3. The Credential offered seems to be agnostic to language 
> considerations as it is just a credential unless we are using a 
> language tag to describe the language used in the credential's essence.
Sure, if Credential is a type of CreativeWork we have various ways of 
talking about its language, translations, and instances/embodiments 
<http://schema.org/workExample> of it.

> 4. Any given competency may have an equivalent in another schema but 
> be expressed in another natural language. (That is, there may be a 
> German standard for competencies that has been aligned to an English 
> standard for competencies, but what is missing seems to be the element 
> that the competency was expressed in a particular natural language.)
>
There is no way of expressing competences in schema.org at the moment.  
As Stuart said, there have been suggestions about how CategoryCode / 
DefinedTerm could be used, and how it could be extended into something a 
little bit more SKOS-like. A DefinedTerm would be part of a 
DefinedTermSet, which is a subtype of CreativeWork. So if they were used 
as the basis for describing competencies and competence frameworks, then 
the language of a Competence Framework could be provided. I am inclined 
to think that the detailed modeling of competencies is a rabbit hole 
that we shouldn't go too far down.

Phil

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