Re: Language in eocred

On 13/03/18 16:13, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I appreciate this discussion. I'm trying to get my head around an 
> economy of credentials. A German (or any company where the corporate 
> culture has a monolingual language component) would be looking for 
> someone with a certain set of credentials. Would such a company's HR 
> department limit their search to credentialing organizations that only 
> offer "German" credentials? Rather than looking for a universal set of 
> "Credentials" and then also for a competency or credential of 
> "German". Take the case of a materials chemist for working in the 
> solar manufacturing industry. Let's assume that a German Company wants 
> to fill a new opening. They start their recruitment search. The team 
> they want to recruit for will be German speaking team. Where do they 
> start their search?
>
I think they would have two distinct requirements, one relating to 
competence in, say, Material Science, the second relating to 
communication in German. An applicant could have distinct credentials 
for each of those, rather than a single credential for "Material Science 
in German". Of course, there may be some specific German Material 
Science credential that they want you to match.

Here's an example 
<https://de.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=d49cb4c0b5c43edc&tk=1c8g2uu7p9nti8lp&from=serp&alid=3&advn=8152945570522556> 
job advert which includes "A minimum of a M.Sc. degree in a technical 
field" and "Very good verbal and written communication skills in English 
and German".

That said, I have come across a situation (admissions to a Masters 
program on which I taught) where there was a requirement for a bachelor 
degree in computer science and proficiency in English at a certain 
level. This could be met by either providing two separate credentials, 
or by having acquired the BS in CS from an institution that taught in 
English. But the important thing was that the courses and assessments 
were in English. I think it was implicit assumed that a CS bachelors 
degree from an institution that taught in English would require 
competencies for written and spoken communication in English--something 
that could be made explicit through the competencyRequired property.

I think we have all these bases covered.

Phil

> - Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk 
> <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Hugh
>
>     On 12/03/18 17:19, Hugh Paterson III wrote:
>>     I have a use case for competency/credential discovery.
>>
>>     I want to find pilots who not only speak German as a competency,
>>     or received a German Federal aviation credential, but trained for
>>     their Aviation certificates using the German language.
>>     So more broadly this is a use case where the knowledge was
>>     expressed in a language.
>
>     I think that there are two options from the existing use cases
>     that would cover this type of requirement:
>     a, we consider it as a competence just like any other, and express
>     it as such; or
>     b, we say it is a requirement that is not really a competence, for
>     which we have the eligibility requirements
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Eligibility_requirements>
>     use case
>
>     The demonstrated ability to express knowledge in a given language
>     could be case (a); to have been undertaken aviation training in
>     the medium of German could be case (b).
>
>>
>>     If we take this to the case of math skills, or the completion of
>>     some Algebra course, I want to know what language the course was
>>     taught in.
>
>     As was the case when we discussed costs, I think we need to be
>     careful to distinguish between the Credential, Learning
>     Opportunities that can lead to the credential, and Assessments
>     that must be passed before the credential is awarded.
>>
>>     have we covered this yet as a use case in
>>     :https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases
>>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases>
>>
>>     1. The text book for a maths course in German could use the LRMI
>>     language attribute.
>>
>>           o inLanguage schema.org/Language
>>             <http://schema.org/Language>     The primary language of
>>             the resource.
>>
>     Agreed. We can specify the language of learning resources
>     (schema:CreativeWork) that are relevant to the credential
>
>>     2. The maths course was taught in German could be described by
>>     ______________.
>     A schema:Course is a CreativeWork, and a CourseInstance is an
>     Event, so we can use the inLanguage property for these as well.
>
>>     3. The Credential offered seems to be agnostic to language
>>     considerations as it is just a credential unless we are using a
>>     language tag to describe the language used in the credential's
>>     essence.
>     Sure, if Credential is a type of CreativeWork we have various ways
>     of talking about its language, translations, and
>     instances/embodiments <http://schema.org/workExample> of it.
>
>>     4. Any given competency may have an equivalent in another schema
>>     but be expressed in another natural language. (That is, there may
>>     be a German standard for competencies that has been aligned to an
>>     English standard for competencies, but what is missing seems to
>>     be the element that the competency was expressed in a particular
>>     natural language.)
>>
>     There is no way of expressing competences in schema.org
>     <http://schema.org> at the moment.  As Stuart said, there have
>     been suggestions about how CategoryCode / DefinedTerm could be
>     used, and how it could be extended into something a little bit
>     more SKOS-like. A DefinedTerm would be part of a DefinedTermSet,
>     which is a subtype of CreativeWork. So if they were used as the
>     basis for describing competencies and competence frameworks, then
>     the language of a Competence Framework could be provided. I am
>     inclined to think that the detailed modeling of competencies is a
>     rabbit hole that we shouldn't go too far down.
>
>     Phil
>
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PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; 
information systems for education.
CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education technology.

PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
number SC569282.
CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
England number OC399090