Re: EOCred: link to course

Hello Ryan,

When describing Courses in schema.org you can use the timeRequired 
<http://schema.org/timeRequired> property to indicate the number of 
hours of study required directly. But, you're right, there is a common 
and (sometimes) useful practice of assigning credits to a 
course/credential as an indication of the extent of material covered, 
and these credits often relate to a notional time required to study the 
material.

I think we should talk about this separately, possibly when we discuss 
the use case that we have relating to transferring credit.

Regards, Phil


On 14/02/18 23:31, Ryan Price wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I think this looks good.
>
> One of my interests in joining this group comes from the fact that I 
> build a large number of web sites for colleges and universities in the 
> United States, and representing the programs of study (particularly 
> those that result in a professional credential or certification) is of 
> great interest to our clients.
>
> For some certifications, you simply need to complete a certain number 
> of “hours” or “points” within a certain period, say a year, in order 
> to maintain your credential. Does this relationship have a way of 
> expressing those hours or points? Perhaps it’s asking a lot.
>
> It also makes me think of a tangential point - what about other 
> CreativeWorks that are related to earning or maintaining this 
> credential? Like study guides, books, videos, etc. Something to come 
> back to later. I worked on a website for Pfizer that would award 
> continuing education credit for watching a particular slideshow on the 
> web site and completing a quiz. In that case I believe you could 
> represent the slideshow as a course, so for the most part we are 
> covered there.
>
> ++
>
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>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk 
>> <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all. Two things in this email, first a tweak to a use case and 
>> its requirements, second a proposal to use the 
>> schema:educationalCredentialAwarded 
>> <http://pending.schema.org/educationalCredentialAwarded> property of 
>> Course to relate EducationalOccupationalCredentials to Courses 
>> (without creating a new property as an inverse of that one).
>>
>>
>> We have a use case relating to secondary search for learning 
>> resources and courses 
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Learning_resources_and_Courses>, 
>> that is:
>>
>>     Having found an educational or occupational credential, and
>>     possibly identified the competencies required to obtain that
>>     credential, an individual wants to search for materials, courses
>>     or other things that will help them acquire those competencies.
>>
>> The derived requirement is the ability to show relationship between 
>> educational / occupational credential objects and descriptions or 
>> representations of Courses (and maybe other learning resources)
>>
>> I think that in the course of our discussions about providing 
>> information about the cost of attaining an educational occupational 
>> credential we came close to solving this.
>>
>> But first,*I think the use case & requirement need a bit of a tweak. 
>> *On reflection learning resources will be less important, and we 
>> should mention the possibility of finding Assessments. My thinking on 
>> learning resources is that these will be linked to via common 
>> competence requirements / learning objectives. SO, I would rephrase 
>> the use case as:
>>
>>     Having found an educational or occupational credential, and
>>     possibly identified the competencies required to obtain that
>>     credential, an individual wants to search for courses or
>>     assessments that lead to that credential, or other things that
>>     will help them acquire the competencies required.
>>
>> And I would list the requirements as
>>
>>   * the ability to show relationship between educational /
>>     occupational credentials and descriptions or representations of
>>     Courses
>>   * the ability to show relationship between educational /
>>     occupational credentials and descriptions or representations of
>>     Assessments
>>   * the ability to show relationship between competencies required
>>     for educational / occupational credentials and descriptions or
>>     representations of learning resources
>>
>> Please let me know whether that seems reasonable.
>>
>> Proposal for*linking Educational Occupational Credentials to Courses*
>> I have drafted a proposal 
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/User:Philbarker/Draft:Link_educational_occupational_credentials_to_courses#Draft_code_for_schema.org> 
>> for the first of these based on our discussion of costs
>>
>> It is based on using the schema:educationalCredentialAwarded 
>> <http://pending.schema.org/educationalCredentialAwarded> property of 
>> Course either in a separate object representing the Course and 
>> linking back to the credential, or using RDFa or JSON-LD syntax to 
>> use this property in reverse.
>>
>> Please let me know what you think,
>> Phil
>>
>> [current usecase] 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Learning_resources_and_Courses
>>
>> [draft prosal] 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/User:Philbarker/Draft:Link_educational_occupational_credentials_to_courses#Draft_code_for_schema.org
>>
>> [schema:educationalCredentialAwarded] 
>> http://pending.schema.org/educationalCredentialAwarded
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk/>: technology to enhance 
>> learning; information systems for education.
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>> technology.
>>
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>>
>

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Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; 
information systems for education.
CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education technology.

PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
number SC569282.
CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
England number OC399090