Re: Tools for eGovernance

Thank you John

Yes of course the IRC arrangement is good, but it does not play
the audio, which is a bit of a pity

will try to play with the free voip you suggest below at my end



On the specific question of long-distance, international calls: It is
> possible to make a (free) IP call using a (free) client such as Ekiga.
> It may also be possible to make IP calls directly using Skype, but
> this depends on whether your institution has a VoIP bridge (talk to
> your network gurus). Some people should consider paying the (low)
> monthly fee for Skype, which in some regions (e.g. USA) lets you dial
> long distance for "free." IRC participation (and especially tasks like
> scribing) works best with a dedicated client such as Pidgin, but many
> people on these calls use the web client.
>
> Finally, some WGs/IGs decide on their own to use other tools for
> special meetings, such as virtual f2f gatherings. For example, last
> year the GLD WG experimented with Google+ Hangouts to complement the
> tools it was using for a two-location f2f it had, and is planning a
> more organized use in the coming year. Google+, while free, does
> require users to join The Google, which has its own set of "costs"
> which each individual must weigh themselves...
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you Tim and Jeanna
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It is less about which tools can and could be used (there are many),
> than
> >> about the policies of the bodies which govern and convene the meetings.
>  My
> >> understanding is that the W3C has good reasons why they do not actually
> >> record or make recordable the verbal discussions and broadcasts from the
> >> meetings.  For this group, therefore, I abide by those rules.
> >>
> >
> >  ah, yes- that was the answer I guess (recall) - apologies for asking
> again-
> >
> > the thing is that even W3C is changing (moving towards more community
> > oriented participation and governance)
> > so even policies should change
> >
> >
> >> However, there could certainly be an interesting discussion on the list
> >> and in our meetings on how best to accomplish (or what ways we could
> >> accomplish) the easiest participation in such activities if policies
> were
> >> changed or for groups where the policies are different.
> >
> >
> > sure-  thats the point of eGovernance: how can the members of a civil
> > community  influence the decisions of their governing bodies
> /organisations/
> > (a 'systemic' issue here)
> >
> > Plus, there can be a two tier policy within the same organization:
> >
> > , whosoever have good reasons not to be recorded broadcasted, should be
> > entitled to do so
> > But whosover has not problem with their contributions being broadcasted
> > should also be entitled to contribute in the way
> > that suits them best  - the world must go on even if some
> > people/organizations cannot move as fast as the pace of
> > technological development (Note: this is a central problem with
> eGovenments,
> > needs to be cracked fast)
> >
> > Basically,  the policy type may influence  the membership type and type
> of
> > contributions/participation one is able to make
> >
> > Look forward to our first virtual face to face meeting sometime soon I
> hope
> >
> >
> > PDM
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --Jeanne
> >>
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> >>
> >> From: Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>
> >> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:18:10 +0000
> >> To: <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>
> >> Cc: "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Tools for eGovernance
> >> Resent-From: <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
> >> Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:18:59 +0000
> >>
> >> Just a quick pointer to an interesting Working Draft from the IETF on
> >> Remote Participation:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-genarea-rps-reqs/?include_text=1
> >>
> >> As IETF highlight, and as is mirrored by my experience last week trying
> to
> >> remote participate in the Internet Governance Forum, which has also
> worked
> >> hard to support remote panelists and participation, the right mix of
> tools
> >> and practices to support remote participation in face-to-face meetings,
> and
> >> effective cross-platform online-only meetings, currently still seem
> somewhat
> >> elusive.
> >>
> >> There has been the suggestion in past Internet Governance Forum
> >> discussions on Remote Participation that it would be good to have a
> shared
> >> project between a number of conferences / fora which have a governance
> >> function to develop shared tools, principles and guidance for
> >> e-Participation in meetings - but as yet nothing has come of this.
> Perhaps
> >> it's something that could have connections to the eGov meeting.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> just a quick household note
> >>>
> >>> I may have asked this before, apologies for repetition
> >>>
> >>> I find it hard to understand why the calls are not broadcast using some
> >>> webex type application
> >>> ( anymeeting.com  is free and works well and there are others)
> >>>
> >>> While when I am based at the office I have free calls to most countries
> >>> and can easily spend hours on the phone
> >>> without breaking the budget for this effort however when I travel
> (which
> >>> in the last few months has been a constant and it is likely to get
> worse)
> >>> it's difficult, expensive and not always possible to get on the phone
> >>> long distance.
> >>>
> >>> This means I cannot volunteer to scribe (I am sure it would be my turn
> at
> >>> some point)
> >>>
> >>> I must say that I have the same observation for other similar events,
> for
> >>> example I could not attend in person
> >>> yesterday the #sw2022 session at #iswc2012 ,  so sorry I am missing the
> >>> opportunity to meet in person so many of you!!
> >>>
> >>> Slides
> >>> http://www.slideshare.net/PaolaDIM/sw10-yearslides
> >>> Voiceover
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9bqBBJNIF4&list=UUcxJu04fCSkU9x1e7BwYYHQ&index=2&feature=plcp
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would have expected a virtual connection to present remotely and take
> >>> part in the panel discussion remotely, but apparently this was not even
> >>> contemplated by the organisers
> >>>
> >>> the bottom line is: how can we eGovern ourselves, without adopting the
> >>> necessary eGovernance tools?
> >>>
> >>> This brings up another possible topic for discussion, 'Principles and
> >>> Tools  for eGovernance' (sine qua non)
> >>>
> >>> I d love to present a topic or two, and to scribe, when the facilities
> >>> are available
> >>>
> >>> In the meantime, keep it growing :-)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> PDM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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