- From: Harshvardhan J. Pandit <me@harshp.com>
- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:08:02 +0100
- To: Eva Schlehahn <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, public-dpvcg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <d9c96231-4612-7563-eba5-85752d338e5e@harshp.com>
Thanks Eva, Bud, Rigo, Mark. For our taxonomy/vocabulary, we have a 'flat' list (no-hierarchy) for v1, because to create hierarchies we would need further discussion on how the other legal basis are related. So I propose we go with the following from Eva's email today - * A6(1)(a) as the legal basis, and in its description, we mention that it requires what is referred to as regular consent by A29WP (note - no split into regular and explicit as it is listed currently in the spreadsheet) * A9(2)(a) as the legal basis, and in its description we mention that it requires what is referred to as explicit consent by GDPR and A29WP * Add additional legal basis that require explicit consent i.e. A22(2)(c) and A49(1)(a) to the list as it currently only covers A6 and A9 @Eva do you think this is okay to go ahead with? - Harsh On 09/04/2019 10:35, Eva Schlehahn wrote: > > Dear Harsh, dear all, > > after wading through all the back and forth emails touching upon this > topic, I am going back to the roots here. In short: I think Bud is > right. :) > > I discussed at length with Bud in advance and as his preparation for > the community group meeting. He is right because we have a need to > capture following structure: > > * Consent - as legal basis with the definition: 'A data subject's > unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement > to process their personal data' > o Regular consent -> Legal basis of Art. 6 para 1 (a) GDPR > o Explicit consent -> Legal basis of Art 9 para. 2 (a) GDPR > > Even though Rigo originally saw the term 'regular' critically, I still > think it is useful to simply express that there is a difference > between the consent required by Art. 6 in contrast to Art. 9. So in > principle, we need some term to highlight this difference. And Bud > relies on what the former Art. 29 Working Group said since it simply > makes no sense to make up something else out of thin air. > > Btw. 'freely given & informed' are not definitions, they are > conditions. There is a difference. :) And they probably cannot be > expressed in a vocabulary since they are always context-dependent and > subject to interpretation. :) > > Harsh, I like your examples given in your email - and I agree insofar > as the explicit consent required a very clear statement from the data > subject what they are agreeing to. Please note that this is even a > step further than the consent just being 'informed' - in a way, this > informed-ness also needs to be expressed explicitly. > > Greetings, > > Eva > > Am 08.04.2019 um 13:39 schrieb Harshvardhan J. Pandit: >> tldr; This email is regarding using two separate legal basis for >> consent as provided by A6(1)(a) >> >> Dear Eva, Rigo, and Bud. >> I'm having trouble understanding the two separate legal basis for >> consent as provided by A6(1)(a). >> This discussion was mostly conducted in the F2F, and because this is >> the first time I have come across this interpretation of two legal >> basis under A6(1)(a), it would be good to have it in the mailing list >> so as to have a point of reference in the future. >> >> My understanding of the discussion so far: >> Please do specify (and if possible, correct) any errors made in >> capturing the gist of the discussion. >> For consent as the legal basis, Eva and Bud suggested >> (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Apr/0005.html >> 1-APR) two types ('regular' and 'explicit') of consent from Article >> 6(1)(a), with a reference to A29WP guidelines on consent - that also >> mention these two terms. >> Rigo (skype call in F2F, 4-APR) suggested to remove the word >> 'regular' and simply call it consent, and provided the following >> definition for (previously regular) consent - "A data subject's >> unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement to >> process their personal data". (personal opinion - I think this was to >> provide a definition of 'consent' as a top-level concept in the >> taxonomy) >> >> Points I'm struggling with - >> >> (1) If the (regular) consent is used as a legal basis with the above >> definition - would it be valid under the GDPR given that it does not >> follow the definition of consent (A4-11) for being "freely given, >> informed". >> >> (2) Where do we use the GDPR definition of consent (A4-11) in the >> taxonomy for legal basis of A6(1)(a) - 'regular' or 'explicit'? >> >> (3) In the guidelines for consent by A29WP (Sec.4, pg.18), 'regular' >> consent is mentioned in context - The GDPR prescribes that a >> “statement or clear affirmative action” is a prerequisite for >> ‘regular’ consent. >> In the same section, 'explicit' consent is mentioned as - "The term >> explicit refers to the way consent is expressed by the data subject. >> It means that the data subject must give an express statement of >> consent." >> Given that I have no legal background, I'm confused as to wouldn't >> every 'regular' consent required by GDPR also be 'explicit' given the >> requirement for every consent to be informed, specific, unambiguous >> indication by a statement or action (A4-11) - which covers >> descriptions of both terms by A29WP? >> Or, is the difference as follows: >> - regular - saying "I Agree" >> - explicit - saying "I Agree to XYZ" ← note explicit mention of what >> I'm agreeing to? >> But wouldn't this be covered by the information in the description of >> what they are agreeing to because consent should be informed?. It >> does come to my mind, that the 'explicit' in this case may refer to >> the requirement of stating that some information, such as special >> categories of data, need to be mentioned in an 'explicit' form in the >> 'informed' part of consent - in which case, does it qualify as a >> separate legal basis OR as the requirements for valid consent (and >> therefore not part of legal basis taxonomy)? >> >> (4) If conditions provided by A9(2)(a) count as a legal basis based >> on 'explicit' consent for special categories of personal data, do the >> following also count as a legal basis given that they are based on >> 'explicit' consent and are types of processing? >> - R72 Profiling >> - A22(2)(c) Automated individual decision-making, including profiling >> - A49(1)(a) transfers of personal data to a third country or an >> international organisation >> >> I don't mean to start a long discussion that may delay the work on >> wrapping up the taxonomy, so am willing to accept short answers (e.g. >> yes/no, use 'this' as definition); but at the same time it would be >> very helpful to clarify this things - both for the group as well as >> (personally) for my PhD work. >> >> Best, >> Harsh >> >> On 01/04/2019 14:36, Eva Schlehahn wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Bud and I developed further the taxonomy of legal bases according to >>> the GDPR. Please find attached >>> >>> * in the Word document file Bud's version of such a vocabulary, as >>> well as >>> * in the image file my extension of the already existing >>> visualization from lawyer perspective. ;-) >>> >>> A pity I cannot make it to Vienna. I wish you all a fruitful meeting >>> there. :-) >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Eva >>> >>> -- >>> Unabhängiges Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein >>> Eva Schlehahn,uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de >>> Holstenstraße 98, 24103 Kiel, Tel. +49 431 988-1204, Fax -1223 >>> mail@datenschutzzentrum.de -https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/ >>> >>> Informationen über die Verarbeitung der personenbezogenen Daten durch >>> die Landesbeauftragte für Datenschutz und zur verschlüsselten >>> E-Mail-Kommunikation:https://datenschutzzentrum.de/datenschutzerklaerung/ >>> >> -- --- Harshvardhan Pandit PhD Researcher ADAPT Centre Trinity College Dublin
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