- From: Harshvardhan J. Pandit <me@harshp.com>
- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:08:02 +0100
- To: Eva Schlehahn <uld67@datenschutzzentrum.de>, public-dpvcg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <d9c96231-4612-7563-eba5-85752d338e5e@harshp.com>
Thanks Eva, Bud, Rigo, Mark.
For our taxonomy/vocabulary, we have a 'flat' list (no-hierarchy) for
v1, because to create hierarchies we would need further discussion on
how the other legal basis are related.
So I propose we go with the following from Eva's email today -
* A6(1)(a) as the legal basis, and in its description, we mention that
it requires what is referred to as regular consent by A29WP (note - no
split into regular and explicit as it is listed currently in the
spreadsheet)
* A9(2)(a) as the legal basis, and in its description we mention that it
requires what is referred to as explicit consent by GDPR and A29WP
* Add additional legal basis that require explicit consent i.e.
A22(2)(c) and A49(1)(a) to the list as it currently only covers A6 and A9
@Eva do you think this is okay to go ahead with?
- Harsh
On 09/04/2019 10:35, Eva Schlehahn wrote:
>
> Dear Harsh, dear all,
>
> after wading through all the back and forth emails touching upon this
> topic, I am going back to the roots here. In short: I think Bud is
> right. :)
>
> I discussed at length with Bud in advance and as his preparation for
> the community group meeting. He is right because we have a need to
> capture following structure:
>
> * Consent - as legal basis with the definition: 'A data subject's
> unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement
> to process their personal data'
> o Regular consent -> Legal basis of Art. 6 para 1 (a) GDPR
> o Explicit consent -> Legal basis of Art 9 para. 2 (a) GDPR
>
> Even though Rigo originally saw the term 'regular' critically, I still
> think it is useful to simply express that there is a difference
> between the consent required by Art. 6 in contrast to Art. 9. So in
> principle, we need some term to highlight this difference. And Bud
> relies on what the former Art. 29 Working Group said since it simply
> makes no sense to make up something else out of thin air.
>
> Btw. 'freely given & informed' are not definitions, they are
> conditions. There is a difference. :) And they probably cannot be
> expressed in a vocabulary since they are always context-dependent and
> subject to interpretation. :)
>
> Harsh, I like your examples given in your email - and I agree insofar
> as the explicit consent required a very clear statement from the data
> subject what they are agreeing to. Please note that this is even a
> step further than the consent just being 'informed' - in a way, this
> informed-ness also needs to be expressed explicitly.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Eva
>
> Am 08.04.2019 um 13:39 schrieb Harshvardhan J. Pandit:
>> tldr; This email is regarding using two separate legal basis for
>> consent as provided by A6(1)(a)
>>
>> Dear Eva, Rigo, and Bud.
>> I'm having trouble understanding the two separate legal basis for
>> consent as provided by A6(1)(a).
>> This discussion was mostly conducted in the F2F, and because this is
>> the first time I have come across this interpretation of two legal
>> basis under A6(1)(a), it would be good to have it in the mailing list
>> so as to have a point of reference in the future.
>>
>> My understanding of the discussion so far:
>> Please do specify (and if possible, correct) any errors made in
>> capturing the gist of the discussion.
>> For consent as the legal basis, Eva and Bud suggested
>> (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Apr/0005.html
>> 1-APR) two types ('regular' and 'explicit') of consent from Article
>> 6(1)(a), with a reference to A29WP guidelines on consent - that also
>> mention these two terms.
>> Rigo (skype call in F2F, 4-APR) suggested to remove the word
>> 'regular' and simply call it consent, and provided the following
>> definition for (previously regular) consent - "A data subject's
>> unambigious/clear affirmative action that signifies an agreement to
>> process their personal data". (personal opinion - I think this was to
>> provide a definition of 'consent' as a top-level concept in the
>> taxonomy)
>>
>> Points I'm struggling with -
>>
>> (1) If the (regular) consent is used as a legal basis with the above
>> definition - would it be valid under the GDPR given that it does not
>> follow the definition of consent (A4-11) for being "freely given,
>> informed".
>>
>> (2) Where do we use the GDPR definition of consent (A4-11) in the
>> taxonomy for legal basis of A6(1)(a) - 'regular' or 'explicit'?
>>
>> (3) In the guidelines for consent by A29WP (Sec.4, pg.18), 'regular'
>> consent is mentioned in context - The GDPR prescribes that a
>> “statement or clear affirmative action” is a prerequisite for
>> ‘regular’ consent.
>> In the same section, 'explicit' consent is mentioned as - "The term
>> explicit refers to the way consent is expressed by the data subject.
>> It means that the data subject must give an express statement of
>> consent."
>> Given that I have no legal background, I'm confused as to wouldn't
>> every 'regular' consent required by GDPR also be 'explicit' given the
>> requirement for every consent to be informed, specific, unambiguous
>> indication by a statement or action (A4-11) - which covers
>> descriptions of both terms by A29WP?
>> Or, is the difference as follows:
>> - regular - saying "I Agree"
>> - explicit - saying "I Agree to XYZ" ← note explicit mention of what
>> I'm agreeing to?
>> But wouldn't this be covered by the information in the description of
>> what they are agreeing to because consent should be informed?. It
>> does come to my mind, that the 'explicit' in this case may refer to
>> the requirement of stating that some information, such as special
>> categories of data, need to be mentioned in an 'explicit' form in the
>> 'informed' part of consent - in which case, does it qualify as a
>> separate legal basis OR as the requirements for valid consent (and
>> therefore not part of legal basis taxonomy)?
>>
>> (4) If conditions provided by A9(2)(a) count as a legal basis based
>> on 'explicit' consent for special categories of personal data, do the
>> following also count as a legal basis given that they are based on
>> 'explicit' consent and are types of processing?
>> - R72 Profiling
>> - A22(2)(c) Automated individual decision-making, including profiling
>> - A49(1)(a) transfers of personal data to a third country or an
>> international organisation
>>
>> I don't mean to start a long discussion that may delay the work on
>> wrapping up the taxonomy, so am willing to accept short answers (e.g.
>> yes/no, use 'this' as definition); but at the same time it would be
>> very helpful to clarify this things - both for the group as well as
>> (personally) for my PhD work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Harsh
>>
>> On 01/04/2019 14:36, Eva Schlehahn wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Bud and I developed further the taxonomy of legal bases according to
>>> the GDPR. Please find attached
>>>
>>> * in the Word document file Bud's version of such a vocabulary, as
>>> well as
>>> * in the image file my extension of the already existing
>>> visualization from lawyer perspective. ;-)
>>>
>>> A pity I cannot make it to Vienna. I wish you all a fruitful meeting
>>> there. :-)
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Eva
>>>
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Harshvardhan Pandit
PhD Researcher
ADAPT Centre
Trinity College Dublin
Received on Tuesday, 9 April 2019 11:09:11 UTC