- From: Bert Bos <bert@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:37:58 +0200
- To: public-dpvcg@w3.org
See also: https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes
[1]W3C
[1] https://www.w3.org/
– DRAFT –
Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group Teleconference
04 September 2018
[2]Previous meeting [3]Agenda [4]IRC log
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Aug/0039.html
[3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html
[4] https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-irc
Attendees
Present
Axel, Bert, Harald, Javier, Ramisa, Rigo, Sabrina,
simonstey, Stefano
Regrets
Chair
Alex
Scribe
Javier
Contents
* [5]Meeting Minutes
1. [6]schedule, milestones
2. [7]minutes from last time
3. [8]ACTIONS
4. [9]report back from Mydata, Helsinki
5. [10]new use cases and templates
6. [11]Next steps and strategy
7. [12]AOB
* [13]Summary of Action Items
Meeting Minutes
Hi all!
hmm, seems there was some confusion about today's telco through
my emails.
schedule, milestones
Axel: we definitly have a good set of vocabularies
<Bert> Bert has changed the topic to: [14]https://lists.w3.org/
Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html
[14] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html
Axel: use cases, we need more
Axel: we can have more use cases, and we have to decide where
we want to go with the requirements
Axel: in the F2F we said we want taxonomy for purposes, GDPR
terms... etc. I think we need use cases for these things and
use cases covering these terms. I think we should be OK and do
not extend requirements now
Rigo: I would support it
Harald: I would maybe have more requirements from thelegalt
side
Harald: I can add more requirements from our internal
discussions
Rigo: I would not do as an exercise, but take one by one use
cases in the CG and expand it in a taxonomy
Axel: Extending on use cases is OK, I advertised it in mydata
Rigo: let's not do an "explaining-the-world-exercises", but
take 1-by-1 the use cases by the community group and cover them
Stefano: is there a collection of use cases that we can build
upon?
Axel: mydata has a collection, AFAIK
Axel: There is something from mydata meeting
<Harald_ULD> Axel: More use cases encouraged. Axel proposed
joining dpvcg at MyData, Helsinki last week.
Action: Stefano to explore list of mydata use cases.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Explore list of mydata use
cases. [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-09-11].
Axel will provide link to MyData use cases
minutes from last time
no comments
ACTIONS
[15]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/open
Bert will provide overview of SPECIAL use cases
ACTION-10 done
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-10.
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-13.
Axel: anybody active in ieee 7012? Axel willl try to reach out
close ACTION-15
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-15.
close ACTION-16
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-16.
report back from Mydata, Helsinki
Axel: We need to discuss in order to define the scope of the
WG. I talked of Interoperability, consent and transparency
axel: positive feedback, nobody is working in integrating the
efforts in this area, only us
<Harald_ULD> Axel: No one seems to have efforts on integrateing
the approaches except us (DPVCG-group).
axel: they talked a lot of standards but for identity,
authentication,... , we can keep an eye and have liasons
Axel: some other topics: distributed identities, authentication
standardisation, credential community group (standards for
credential exchange)
… They mostly focus on the protocol but not in our scope, e.g.
data categories, we have a quite unique scope
5) Social Activity --> Activity Streams
4) Consent & Transparency --> DPVCG
3) Credentials --> Credentials CG
2) Identity--> DID, national eIDs, …
1) Authentication? --> Oauth, DIDAuth, Webauthn
Axel: In this categories, privacy and consent would be one
level below
[16]https://aic.ai.wu.ac.at/~polleres/presentations/
20180830MyData2018_Interop_and_Transparency.pdf
[16] https://aic.ai.wu.ac.at/~polleres/presentations/20180830MyData2018_Interop_and_Transparency.pdf
Axel: slides are available in the link above, feedback is
welcomed!
Stefano: It
Stefano: It's surprising nobody is doing this effort
Axel: For web browsers there is another w3c workshop in
California, september, but they are not aware of our efforts
[17]https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2018/cfp.html
[17] https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2018/cfp.html
<Harald_ULD> Rigo: there is another workgroup re-establishing
the android-permissions in the context of an US-understanding
privacy.
Rigo: Not surprising, the browsers are like a modern TV :)
[18]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/
Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
[18] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
<Harald_ULD> Axel: a
Harald_ULD: I oppose the US understanding of privacy/secrecy to
the EU understanding of data protection. The latter is more
about dossiers than about secrecy
Axel: added more vocabularies, e.g. CDMM, ActivityStreams...
AxelPollleres: may look into schema.org vocabs
… consent received work by Kantara
… data categories from schema.org to be explored
Bert: So mydata.org is creating a foundation...
Axel: yes, it is organized by country, but they are thinking of
building a more formal structure.
… the origin in Finland and they are thinking of how to
organize and make it attractive
Javier: Is someone from mydata joining the group?
Axel: Probably 1 or 2, not sure if they will join the telcos,
trying to have people from Kantara makes a lot of sense
… I particularly talked to people with use cases and invited
them to post the use case and join the calls
[19]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/
Data_Donation
[19] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation
Axel: For example, [20]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/
OwnYourData/Data_Donation, by the founder of ownyourdata
[20] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation,
new use cases and templates
Axel: Already mentioned the new use cases, Ownyourdata, also
digi.me, but it needs more details
Action: Axel to contact digi.me again for a more detailed use
case description
<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Contact digi.me again for a more
detailed use case description [on Axel Polleres - due
2018-09-11].
Axel: is there anybody else planning to add more use cases?
Harald: do we need to link use cases and requirements?
… we can maybe add something regarding data processing by
public entities
… more regarding to transmission, public archives, police...
etc. Are there legal reasons to transmit personal data?
Action: harald proposes use case about public entities handling
personal data
<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Proposes use case about public
entities handling personal data [on Harald Zwingelberg - due
2018-09-11].
Axel: We have the list of requirements we should cover. How
should we proceed? Should we vote, are we missing something...?
thoughts on additional requirements? use cases?
Stefano: We are still collecting use cases and this can cover
more requirements
Axel: Should we then wait for more use cases?
Stefano: We need enough coverage to have relevance
Axel: If use cases are general enough then it is not tragic
Axel: I tried to convince people to add use cases even if they
do not join the calls, in order to have enough coverage
Axel: We might then try to have more use cases and try to
expand if needed
Sabrina: if you want to make progress, maybe organize another
workshop with industry, maybe co-located with Big Data Value
Vienna
Axel: We might have some locals, but we are a bit tight on time
Sabrina: One could find the people already registered/attending
Sabrina: run a workshop on industry use cases around BDVA-Forum
Axel: I can try to find out, but it is rather soon
Sabrina: Maybe we can ask Big Data PPP for support
… they already contacted Eva
<Sabrina> [21]https://www.european-big-data-value-forum.eu/
[21] https://www.european-big-data-value-forum.eu/
[22]http://www.bdva.eu/
[22] http://www.bdva.eu/
Axel: if we agree when we can organize the meeting, then we can
see if we can reach the companies
… From me it could be hard, except for the 13th but companies
will be in the meeting
Sabrina: Maybe try via the PPP
Rigo: Yes, this can go via Eva, she is well connected there
Use cases for Privacy session at BDVA
Rigo: was in Versaille last meeting, and it was a bit caotic,
last minute
Axel: can we put an action to Eva?
Harald: For the vienna conference in november, Eva will be
there potentially
Action: Harald to talk to Eva to get in touch with BDVA about a
session slot in the European Bid Data Value Forum.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Talk to eva to get in touch with
bdva about a session slot in the european bid data value forum.
[on Harald Zwingelberg - due 2018-09-11].
Harald: there could be a pannel session
… I will ask Eva to ask and report to the group
Axel: Of course we can present what we have now, but in general
we need a slot to get to know how companies are doing with GDPR
Sabrina: already registered but in the first two days
Axel: I can try to join the first days
Sabrina, Harald, Eva, planning to go to BDVA, maybe Axel,
Javier, ...
<Ramisa> not me
Action: Stefano to ask around whether DECODE is willing to
participate in BDVA-Forum
<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Ask around whether decode is
willing to participate in bdva-forum [on Stefano Bocconi - due
2018-09-11].
Next steps and strategy
Axel: Bert and I have to talk and maybe discuss with the group
in the next telco
Action: Bert and Axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope
of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the
input collected so far
<trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - And axel tallk about refining
the schedule/scope of the group and come back with a proposal
how to order the input collected so far [on Bert Bos - due
2018-09-11].
AOB
Harald: I presented DPVCG at ARES 2018 in Hamburg last Monday
inviting potential participants from other EU-projects to join.
<Ramisa> thank you
Axel: Next telco in two weeks
thanks! talk soon!
Summary of Action Items
1. [23]Stefano to explore list of mydata use cases.
2. [24]Axel to contact digi.me again for a more detailed use
case description
3. [25]harald proposes use case about public entities handling
personal data
4. [26]Harald to talk to Eva to get in touch with BDVA about a
session slot in the European Bid Data Value Forum.
5. [27]Stefano to ask around whether DECODE is willing to
participate in BDVA-Forum
6. [28]Bert and Axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope
of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the
input collected so far
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