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DPVCG
07 August 2018
[2]Agenda [3]IRC log
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Aug/0000.html
[3] https://www.w3.org/2018/08/07-dpvcg-irc
Attendees
Present
Axel Polleres, Bert Bos, Simon Steyskal (simonstey),
Ramisa Gachpaz Hamed, Harshvardhan Pandit (harsh), Eva
Schlehahn (Eva_ULD), Harald Zwingelberg, Stefano
Bocconi, Javier D. Fernández, Henrik Biering
Regrets
Chair
AxelPolleres
Scribe
AxelPollleres, Bert, Harald
Contents
* [4]Meeting Minutes
1. [5]roll call, scribe selection
2. [6]Minutes of last time
3. [7]Actions
4. [8]fix call-details for future calls
5. [9]discuss F2F at MyData, how can we reach out
broader?
6. [10]discuss templates for use cases/requirements and
vocabularies (what is a requirement?)
7. [11]AOB
* [12]Summary of Action Items
Meeting Minutes
<AxelPollleres> Hi all!
<harsh> Hello!
<Ramisa> Hello
Action: Axel to include links to IRC and minutes into the
agenda next time
<Harald> Notes from the DPVCG 1st telco held on August 7th,
16:00 Brussels Time,
roll call, scribe selection
Stefano introduces himself.
<AxelPollleres> Stefano, WAAG works on a European project
around Blockchain.
<stefano> [13]http://www.decode.eu/
[13] http://www.decode.eu/
<stefano> sorry wrong link due to slow internet
<Harald> Goal: Contribute to joint aim with ideas for
standardisation around data protection / privacy in the field
of infomed consent.
<Ramisa> [14]https://www.w3.org/2018/07/
23-dpvcg-minutes.html#meeting
[14] https://www.w3.org/2018/07/23-dpvcg-minutes.html#meeting
<stefano> the correct one is [15]https://decodeproject.eu/
[15] https://decodeproject.eu/
AxelPollleres summarizes the group's goals, gives pointers.
<AxelPollleres> minutes from last time [16]https://
lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Jul/0008.html
[16] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Jul/0008.html
<Harald> Axel: Introduction to this cal. Minutes from the last
call are in the wWiki (link above).
user page [17]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/
User:Apollere2
[17] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/User:Apollere2
Individual introductions: There had been a ToDo for all to
introduce themselves in the Wiki. A page is automatically
created for every user upon login.
Axel: Please, add something about yourself on your wiki profile
page.
Minutes of last time
Axel: comments on the minutes?
Eva_ULD: A question about the wiki:
… I saw new use cases. How do I make a sub-page?
group home page [18]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/
[18] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/
Axel: Let's talk about that at the agenda topic on use cases.
[19]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
[19] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
Actions
Axel: Have action points been closed already?
ACTION-3 continued
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3 Clarify which github space
we can use W3C's github space or if we need something else.
<harsh> question: do we mark our assigned actions as closed by
ourselves or review them in meetings before closing?
Axel: See the tracker.
ACTION-4 done
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-4 Draft a page afor ORDL.
action-4?
<trackbot> action-4 -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel to Draft a page
afor ORDL -- due 2018-08-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
actions/4
[20] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/4
<simonstey> [21]https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
[21] https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
close ACTION-4
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-4.
Close ACTION-5
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-5.
Bert: I added some pages for action-7, but not done yet.
Action-8, Additions done by Axel, but there could be more, so
not closing the action yet.
Axel: action-8 not done yet.
fix call-details for future calls
<AxelPollleres> Agenda: 1) fix call-details for future calls:
Axel: We have a WebEx reservation.
[22]call-in info
[22] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-dpvcg/2018Aug/
0000.html
we have permanent Webex which is accessible as per the link put
in by Bert.
link is accessible to group members through the W3C account,
Bert: current telcon schedule is every two weeks, Can change
that if we want.
Currrently set up for biweekly on Tuesdays at 16:00.
Axel: Schedule seems OK.
discuss F2F at MyData, how can we reach out broader?
MyData conference: No contact has been established yet.
who plans to be at Mydata?
Axel: I still have to contact the conf. org. to get a room. But
who is planning to come?
Harald: I plan to come to our session, but not the whole
conference.
One slot with interoperability as the main content planned.
Axel: Idea is to present the group at the conf. But the conf.
itself is also interesting, normally.
Harald: If there are very few people, maybe I won't come.
… What is the date, exactly?
Session Aug 30th. 10:00-11:15
My data session is at August 30, 10:00am-11:15 Eastern Europ
Time (Helsinki) [23]https://mydata2018.org/sessions/
semantic-interoperability-and-transparency/
[23] https://mydata2018.org/sessions/semantic-interoperability-and-transparency/
Axel: I can try to organize a meeting after that session.
Session Thursday, Aug 30th. 10:00-11:15 (Helsinki-time!) Maybe
a call can be organized a call later that day for those people
unable to attend.
Axel: If not on that day, then maybe a call on Friday morning.
Action: Axel to organize a call later on 30th after the mydata
session or on Friday morning to sync with people jooining
through the conference.... will contact organizers.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Organize a call later on 30th
after the mydata session or on friday morning to sync with
people jooining through the conference.... will contact
organizers. [on Axel Polleres - due 2018-08-14].
discuss templates for use cases/requirements and vocabularies (what
is a requirement?)
Axel: Any more industry links?
Eva sent around the link to industry partners, Harald
advertised in a German Big Data Project.
Harald: Looked at legal experts in big data, nobody joined so
far.
Axel: Can maybe reach out to industrial data spaces project and
another Austrian Big Data project (DMA).
Action: Axel to reach out to industrial data spaces project
(Germany) and another Austrian Big Data project (DMA).
<trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to
Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what
happened.
Harald reached out to German group of Big Data experts. Will
reach out to further data protection people.
requirements and vocabularies (what is a
requirement?)//requirements and vocabularies
<harsh> [24]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/
Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies#Requirements
[24] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies#Requirements
[25]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/
Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
[25] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
Axel: Templates have been made in our wiki.
… Some vocabularies have been created already.
… Harsh made the templates.
Comments by Eva on the templates: As for the use case add a
number and title for better strcture. Maybe allow for sub-use
cases.
Eva_ULD: The use cases template could be even more structured.
Maybe an identifier or number, a title, a list of
sub-pages/sub-categories.
… also actors and components of the use case.
Eva_ULD: Besides use case overview a section on actors may be
useful. Eva may send around her suggestions to the mailing
list.
… I can send my suggestions to the mailing list.
<simonstey> [26]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/
Use_Cases#Use_Case_Template what about that template?
[26] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#Use_Case_Template
Eva_ULD: The requirements template: do we need to differnetiate
categories of requirements, such as legal or technical.
Eva_ULD: Should we differentiate between types of conferences
(legal, functional, technical, interoperability?). Axel so far
intentionally went for a slim appraoch.
<simonstey> this for requirements [27]https://www.w3.org/2016/
poe/wiki/
Requirements#NOTES_on_discussing_and_approving_requirements ?
[27] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/
Requirements#NOTES_on_discussing_and_approving_requirements
Axel: I put what we had in the workshop, but we should discuss,
today, what we need exactly.
… We want to have various taxonomies.
… The final requirements from the workshop were not very clear.
Eva_ULD: The requirements may influence the descriptions of the
use cases.
… If we do use cases first, we may need to rewrite them later.
Axel: I'm not sure if the uses cases need to be so central.
… We can say that people should suggest requirements by e-mail
before the next telcon.
Harald: Or in the wiki, but noted as "not yet voted on"
Axel: We all work on use cases. Just collect what is out there,
e.g. to understand the mind set and interests of the other
group members.
Axel: I'm interested in what the people in the group are
working on.
Axel: Is it OK that we leave those that are there now, and send
suggestions by mail?
Eva_ULD: OK.
Action: all to suggest/propose additional Requirements on the
mailing list (and mark them as "to be discussed")
<trackbot> Error finding 'all'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[28]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
users>.
[28] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Eva_ULD: More people will see them on the mailing list.
In general. whenever you add something new to the wiki, annouce
it on the mailinglist.
Whenever something is edited and added new please announce it
to the group via e-mail
simonstey: To respond to Eva_ULD:
… I agree to do requirements first, before use cases. But every
requirements should have a use case.
… Other wise the requirement isn't really required.
… After the workshop, we already have some use cases.
… I posted two links above with templates.
… I recommend we follow those.
… Implies that every requirement has a use case.
Axel: Coverage list for all requirements?
simonstey: Requirements are linked to uses cases they come
from, and eventually also linked to the solution.
Axel: The current list of requirements is just the list of
goals from the workshop.
simonstey: We may need a categorization of requirements.
… Different levels, different parts of the process. But maybe
categorize them when we have more.
Axel: We need better starting points than the current list.
simonstey, can you start on a template for requirements?
simonstey: The template is not very long.
Action: Eva_ULD to look over use cases template
<trackbot> Error finding 'Eva_ULD'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[29]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
users>.
[29] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Eva_ULD: I can send some suggestions for the requirements
template to the mailing list, too.
Action: simonstey to look over requirements template
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Look over requirements template
[on Simon Steyskal - due 2018-08-14].
Axel: Who has more use cases? stefano?
stefano: I plan to add my use case.
Action: stefano to propose use case(s) for the Decode project
<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Propose use case(s) for the
decode project [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-08-14].
Axel: We have quite a list of vocabularies already.
… Can people align them with the template?
[30]vocabulary template
[30] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Template_for_vocabularies
Axel: Try to make cross-references to requirements and use
cases.
Action: all who proposed vocabularies to align them to the
template
<trackbot> Error finding 'all'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[31]https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/
users>.
[31] https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/users>.
Axel: Asking contributors of vocabularies to align them to the
template, timeframe: until next telco.
<harsh> Also will do for Data Protection ontology by Bartolini
et. al.
Harsh will look into GDPRov, PDPRTEXT, PROV-O, PPLAN,
we leave ODRL with Victor for now.
<harsh> +1
Stefane will look at P3P ...
Harsh will look into DPO
Axel: P3P has a few terms, I put some links already.
DPO = data protection ontology
Action: Axel to ask Hendrik for edition IEEE 7012
<trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to
Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what
happened.
<harsh> Apologies, my mic wasn't on. My query was: P3P has lots
of criticisms directed at it. Should these also be part of the
vocabulary description on the wiki
Javier: I can work on SPLOG.
… The others can maybe be put together under usage-policy
Javier can do SPLOG, and unify other SPECIAL vocabs.
AOB
Axel: Asking for any other business....
one call before MyData conference. Goal for next call, see what
to present and discuss in Helsinki.
Axel: My goal is to have some things on the wiki, so we can
present somethig at MyData.
… we have one more call before then.
… Also, if you have topics to discuss, send them to the mailing
list.
adjourned , hear you in two weeks
<Ramisa> Thanks
<stefano> thanks, bye
Thanks all!
Summary of Action Items
1. [32]Axel to include links to IRC and minutes into the
agenda next time
2. [33]Axel to organize a call later on 30th after the mydata
session or on Friday morning to sync with people jooining
through the conference.... will contact organizers.
3. [34]Axel to reach out to industrial data spaces project
(Germany) and another Austrian Big Data project (DMA).
4. [35]all to suggest/propose additional Requirements on the
mailing list (and mark them as "to be discussed")
5. [36]Eva_ULD to look over use cases template
6. [37]simonstey to look over requirements template
7. [38]stefano to propose use case(s) for the Decode project
8. [39]all who proposed vocabularies to align them to the
template
9. [40]Axel to ask Hendrik for edition IEEE 7012
Minutes formatted by Bert Bos's [41]scribe.perl version 2.41
(2018/03/23 13:13:49), a reimplementation of David Booth's
[42]scribe.perl. See [43]CVS log.
[41] https://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe2/scribedoc.html
[42] https://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[43] https://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe2/
Bert
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