- From: steve capell <steve.capell@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 10:14:19 +1100
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Cc: W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
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Hi Manu, Thanks for this assessment. We could be thinking the same thing. I didn’t mean that the did:cel would contain the entire bill of lading. Assumed that would be a VC. I assumed that the issuer of the VC is the original carrier. The subject of the vc is the consignment identified by a did:cel. And so the transfer of control is achieved by transferring the underlying did:cel consignment ID to a new controller (aka title owner). So verification is “yes it’s a valid BoL and issued by a known and trusted ocean carrier, I see that the Consignment id is also represented as a did:cel, now who currently controls that did:cel because that are also the current title holder”. Is that more or less what you were thinking or am I off track? Steve Capell UN/CEFACT Vice-Chair steve.capell@gmail.com +61 410437854 > On 20 Jan 2026, at 9:42 am, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 9:05 PM steve capell <steve.capell@gmail.com> wrote: >> Transferrable records. > > I'm not sure the core of that flow is a did:cel or a did:webvh use > case -- it could be a VC use case where the bill of lading has a > controller that is set at every step of the journey by the previous > controller... where the changes to each re-issued VC are wrapped up in > a Cryptographic Event Log (CEL). So, you could punt the NFT and > blockchain network to the curb and just depend on raw/dumb > HTTPS-accessible storage to "hold" the latest version of the bill of > lading. > > Don't get me wrong, you could model the ocean bill of lading as a DID > Document, where transfer of ownership is done via key rotation or > something like that. That's one of the benefits of Linked Data -- you > can embed graphs of information just about anywhere. That is also one > of the drawbacks -- you have many ways that information can be > modelled and we depend on a body like UN/CEFACT to tell us all how to > do it. > > So, this could look something like: > > 1. Original bill of lading (BOL) is issued by the Shipper. BOL becomes > the first entry in cryptographic event log with Shipper as controller. > 2. Shipper transfers cargo to Carrier. Shipper sets Carrier as > controller and digitally signs VC. Updated BOL becomes second entry in > cryptographic event log with Carrier as controller. > 3. Shipper shares latest BOL in cryptographic event log with Bank, > bank releases payment to Shipper. Shipper sets Bank as controller and > digitally signs VC. Updated BOL becomes third entry in cryptographic > event log with Bank as controller. > > I probably messed something up in the steps there (you are the expert > here, not I), but I hope you get the gist of how it might work with a > cryptographic event log. The DIDs would be the long-term identifiers > for the entities (Shipper, Carrier, Bank, etc.) -- those could be > did:web, did:webvh, did:cel, doesn't matter as long as they meet the > needs of the ecosystem. Digital signatures to "transfer ownership" > would be based on keys associated with each controller's DID. > >> Long lived assets. > > Yes, we are looking at CELs for this, and they'd mirror the sort of > thing going on with BOL above (except simpler -- usually just > buyer-seller transfers are recorded in the CEL over time). > >> Authoritative issuers. > > CELs may or may not play a role here -- you can combine DIDs with VCs > and CELs to get to multiple variations of what you're talking about > that work without the need for a blockchain (since you noted that > blockchain adoption is difficult in the supply chain space). > >> Either way the market sees us as solving business problems through consensus rather than a bunch of techies arguing about who’s did method is better (no offence intended !). > > Yes, agreed. > > -- manu > > -- > Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > https://www.digitalbazaar.com/
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