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Thanks to Benjamin Collins and Our Robot Overlords for scribing this week! The transcript for the call is now available here: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2023-01-03-traceablity/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio of the meeting is available at the following location: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2023-01-03-traceablity/audio.ogg ---------------------------------------------------------------- Verifiable Traceability Task Force Transcript for 2023-01-03 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2023Jan/0000.html Organizer: Orie Steele, Mike Prorock, Mahmoud Alkhraishi Scribe: Benjamin Collins and Our Robot Overlords Present: Nis Jespersen , Benjamin Collins, Paul Dietrich GS1, Chris Abernethy, TallTed // Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com), Orie Steele, Mahmoud Alkhraishi, Ted Thibodeau Benjamin Collins is scribing. Our Robot Overlords are scribing. Nis Jespersen : Happy new year everyone, and welcome back to the trace-call standing meeting [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md Nis Jespersen : Remember to sign the contributor guidelines [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Today is vocab day, we do have a bunch of pull requests on trace [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pulls Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/670 Nis Jespersen : This is from adam who is not on the call [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Miss was aligning examples with schemas or intention was to cover 100 percent over the required fields in the example and there's two ways to do that you delete the schema fields that are not there or you add fields to the example I believe he did the wrong one first according to us wrong one and that the request was to do the other one instead. Benjamin Collins: Also this do you want to turn off it looks like we just got transcribed. Nis Jespersen : I'll go ahead and merge is there are no objections [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/671 Nis Jespersen : Next one is from Russel [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Chris Abernethy: I can't say that I've familiar with what happened here, but it looks like it aligns with work he;'s done previously [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Okay, I'll go ahead and merge [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/672 Nis Jespersen : This is a similar pull request, and adding fields to agriculture product as well as an import application [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/673 Nis Jespersen : Next one is 673, this an update to mill test report by adding inspectors to align the example with schema. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Any objections to merging out of meeting once the merge conflict has been addressed? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I'll write a note on the pull request page to that effect. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/675 Nis Jespersen : This is a gtin8 which is the short form of gtins. this is a credential from a gs1 member about a product. which is an example from vc-data-model from GS1. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Is there any objections to me merging offline once this get's fixed [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Sounds good to me, i can remove the change request on the assumption it's going to get fixed [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Benjamin Collins: Paul: Looking file 103 in the file change, that looks like a prefix and not a gtin8 Nis Jespersen : It is a prefix example, these are taken from the gs1 data model [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Benjamin Collins: Paul: i'll follow up offline Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/676 Nis Jespersen : This is narrowing down some of the files to not use the generic organization that only uses the parts related to this credential. As well as place. We have three approvals, any objects to merging 676? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : There is a conflict, I'll make a note to merge offline once resolved [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/677 Nis Jespersen : This is from fkim7 to upload bank account vc. There are a few good looking updates. We have three approvals. Any objections to merging 677? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/678 Nis Jespersen : This is for the GS1 key credential which is issued to claim that you have made a GTIN, another example from the GS1 data model. I only see one approval, can we get more? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Or if anyone wants to discuss what this is about, I'd be happy to talk about it. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: Can you do a quick walk-through? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : The GS1 data model has the end of the line. It starts from GS1 global to regional, and they can issue credentials directly, or the local office issued prefix licenses to companies. Once you have a prefix license you can issue key credentials. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : This is at the end of the line where you issue a credential to something being identified. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I hope that helps. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: It does, thanks. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/679 Nis Jespersen : This is removing geo-coordinates from the bill of lading. We have strong push back from the industry that they didn't have the data for the parties. so this is removing it from the document to align closer with the industry use. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/pull/680 Nis Jespersen : This is adding cargo description, because i was doing the bill of lading, and this was an issue we have around for a while. And I used the term "particulars" as it's the most common term for this on bills of lading. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : If there are no objections i will leave a comment to myself to merge offline once merge conflict has been addressed [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : We have four pending pull requests and we are through the entire list. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-interop/pulls Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc Nis Jespersen : For trace-interop we have no pull requests, so let's go back to trace-vocab and let's look at issues [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/461 Nis Jespersen : The first one is 461 from Orie [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: We had conversations about whether raw materials could be traced, and we dont really have certificated related to this mine produces this material that makes it into mined products. The MTR is the first credential that we have around raw materials. So could we have credentials for a raw ore extracted from a mine? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: We can use existing terms such as inchikey to represent minerals, but we don't have any certificates where minerals start,. even to the point of going to twitter and asking for help around credentials for raw materials. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Let's go ahead and add a "Help Wanted" tag on the issue [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/548 Nis Jespersen : " Hashlink is no substitute for proper semantic description of content" [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] <tallted> "point of extraction" doc will be good for efforts against things like "conflict diamonds" Orie Steele: Yes, I agree with this [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: It's about a specific type, commission event to see if it's still as described. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: And it still has hashlink on it [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : The proposal is to change this to a definition of products [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: It seems like APCIS has a definition we could be using, maybe that could be a better starting point? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/562 Nis Jespersen : Next is cosmetics on EPCIS [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Why is this being debated on trace? Should this be on GS1 EPCIS repo? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Or am I missing something? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I included a link to an example in a previous issue [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: It is a difficult issue to parse, if there is something useful in their repo, we reference it here. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I'll ask a question to clarify this in the issue [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/564 Nis Jespersen : Product defects: ids (how to represent an individual product), quantities [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Mahmoud I see you commented on this, can you introduce this if you remember? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : This does related to the key credential we did, and since we debated this the GS1 white paper came out [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: I think part of this was there was confusion between product id or gtin in the product schema [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Mahmoud Alkhraishi: One of the reasons was because some of the products we have doesn't have a GTIN, for example things like order. There were other places where batch could be used in the location of GTIN. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I'm pretty sure schema.org makes this distinction. I assume Vlad would know that better than me. Can we assign you (Mahmoud) and me to this issue? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/561 Nis Jespersen : I made a pull request on the EPCIS, but i didn't have time to wrap it up, so i pulled it into an issue. And I've been focusing on the GTIN ones. If anyone is interested please shout-out. Otherwise we'll leave it for when we get a chance. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/567 Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/568 Nis Jespersen : Inconsistently spelled schema.org URLs. This looks out dated. So I think these are all dead. So I think we can safely close this issue. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Ted Thibodeau: You should probably re-run the command. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Agreed I just made a comment to that effect on the issue. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I'm going to ping Vlad and assign him on the issue. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Anyone with Linux can run the command, so I think you should assign yourself or Ben to this issue [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/569 Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/570 Nis Jespersen : https://w3id.org/identifier does not exist [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] <mahmoud> unfortunately need to drop Orie Steele: I just searched for this in the repo. I don't see it showing up anymore. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I don't think it's in the code anymore, oh wait now it's showing up [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I'm going to assign Mahmoud on this. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/572 Nis Jespersen : Identifier wrongly used as class, this seems like it's align the same lines at what we just looked at. So I'm inclined to assign Russel. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/573 Nis Jespersen : Avoid schema.org datatypes [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: We love schema.org datatypes. here's not wrong, this date-time issue we've had problems with before. There's also the date-type attributes versus the data-time type. I think this issue conflates those two. Because it mixes the type and property [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: In order to make this ticket actionable, we should re-run the command, and then we make an issue for every instance. So that we have a lot of smaller issues that are easier to close out [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Unless someone want to pick up a big issue. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/574 Orie Steele: Ben, can you run the command and make an issue, and then address the instances in the schemas's we maintain. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Benjamin Collins: Got it [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: These grep attacks Vlad is running on us is good. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Same kind of deal, we need to update all of the cases where that's showing up [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : Do we want to slice it up the same way? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I don't know what the relative priority is for this. If there are any of these IRI's showing up. I want to see separate issues for Transmute to address these issues for credentials we're interested in. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: As a related point, every time these url's are wrong we're breaking the ability to query over the data. And this is an objective of the traceability vocabulary. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : For now I'll assign myself, Mahmoud and Russel and ideally we'll split it up. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : https://github.com/w3c-ccg/traceability-vocab/issues/576 Nis Jespersen : Declare datatype in $linkedData [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : The problem with this is that it applies to everything [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I have some experience to changing JSON-LD to property graphs, if you have different types when you change to n-quads. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: I do think there is a strong argument that all of the data types and IRI's should be correct for everything. This doesn't work well when there is one issue to say "fix everything" versus smaller issues for breaking down specific tasks that can be visualized and crossed off. Similar to our undefined terms graph that let's us know there is still work to be done. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Vlad has good suggestions in, I'm not sure how to address this at the moment, but this does seem like a high value issue to invest some time in. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : What is the next step? [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: You could do this on a credential with manual review, there is nothing that's going to say this should be a boolean versus a string. But if you look at the n-quads and you see a boolean, but the type is a string you would know that's wrong. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: So the way to address this would be a line-by-line review of the n-quads to make sure each line gets checked off. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: Effectively it could be done with an issue per line. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Ted Thibodeau: I think that rather than having an issue per issue, it could be done with one issue with checkboxes. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Orie Steele: It might be possible to do a CLI that automatically creates an issue, but it's not something you might want to do. [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] Nis Jespersen : I'll self assign, and do one as a proof of concept. To say "this is a credential that is well defined, and this is what we want the other credentials to look like". [scribe assist by Benjamin Collins] <orie> sry, I will need to drop
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