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Re: 2022-2026 Verifiable Data Standards Roadmap [DRAFT]

From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:42:38 -0500
Message-ID: <CACvcBVqbAwTjLwsiWNwbc-Text_Ev2wLVQDArskboGCP0UBVKg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
For what it's worth I spend a lot of time with the Ceramic Network (3box)
community these days, mainly driven by a commitment to launch a project.



On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:54 PM Kaliya Identity Woman <
kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote:

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> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 9:42 AM Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Who should lead the heavy lift to coordinate across the various
>> ecosystems? CCG? The other areas? Where are the efforts to coordinate with
>> CCG from these other silos? CCG has been open to collaborating on these
>> kinds of maps, but to expect CCG to lead the tracking of efforts of work
>> done outside the CCG is a bit much, especially if they have limited
>> interaction/contribution to the CCG. I would appreciate more overlap and
>> coordination, but the effort to collaborate must come from both/all sides.
>>
>> The unfortunate truth is that our various orgs are honestly focused on
>> their individual efforts. The people that participate in multiple orgs are
>> the ones that do the knowledge sharing and collaboration. It's ad hoc at
>> best. I don't think it's intentional to build silos, but there is limited
>> incentive to collaborate more broadly, because if there was, we'd already
>> be doing it.
>>
>
> Well this is nice to hear you are/were open to collaboration.
>
> The first step in collaboration is actually getting to know folks - then
> you can "do stuff" with them.
>
> When I organized several "meetings of all the leaders" of all the groups
> in the identity for people space -
> You decided not to attend.
>
> I organized these in part because I seemed to be one of the few people who
> knew all the EDs - and many of the EDs had never spoken to each other and
> didn't have each other's phone numbers - this seemed like a not good
> situation given the state of the industry and the need to collaborate - but
> also solve joint PR problems together (including some EDs getting death
> threats over their work).
>
> We haven't had this meeting in more than a year (after having 4 of them) -
> perhaps we should try again?
>
> There is a lot of activity going on it is quite overwhelming as someone
> who actively tracks all three main organizations
> I also pull together a newsletter every week - so I'm "on it"
> http://newsletter.identosphere.net
>
>
>
>> I think the best we can do is not let our feathers get ruffled when one
>> of the silos is doing their own thing that may or not dovetail or support
>> another orgs activities.
>>
>
> I think actually formally talking to the groups and trying to understand
> what they are doing before automatically "Othering" is important.
>
>
>> The solution to that scenario, jump in and participate in the orgs you
>> want to lower the silo barriers. Or I guess take the lead on creating the
>> coordinating ecosystem map and have everyone sign off on it.
>>
>
>
>>
>> -Heather
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:02 AM Phillip D. Long <phil@rhzconsulting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manu - it does lead to multiple questions. But we can’t strive for
>>> perfection, just somewhat greater clarity
>>>
>>> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another
>>> and/or
>>> largely overlap in functionality?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that would be very helpful as it gives us a chance to see how they
>>> overlap and perhaps understand their differences better.
>>>
>>>  There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right now.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m sure many are wondering why there are three approaches. And I’m sure
>>> there are points of optimization that are focusing on particular use cases
>>> coming for distinct verticals.  Getting that out there for all to see just
>>> might lead to consolidation, or at least better opportunities for those
>>> implementing to make decisions about their choices for protocols to support.
>>>
>>> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Hyperledger community is very diverse. With that many options among
>>> RFCs, even only the active ones might be a challenge. If there are only a
>>> few relevant active ones, then yes, including them would be helpful. But
>>> it’s also an opportunity to send a note to the RFC authors saying here’s
>>> short, concise format to describe your work we’d like to include in the
>>> comprehensive roadmap. If they respond great! If not just listing an
>>> addendum of who was sought out and failed to respond is useful, as well.
>>>
>>> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose?
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s the CCG’s roadmap. We get to choose. Start with what the CCG is
>>> using and ask for volunteers to describe the others they thing should be
>>> included perhaps?
>>>
>>> I don't for a minute fail to recognize it’s a seriously large task to
>>> pull something like this off. But inviting others outside of the CCG who
>>> are doing work in the space and giving them an format for contributing that
>>> is simple enough to undertake and return, but sufficient to at least give a
>>> sense for how their work fits into the larger picture is a variant of the
>>> chunking the tasks up into digestible bites that might contribute value.
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Phillip D. Long*
>>> *e: *pdlong2@asu.edu
>>> Adaptive Learning Library Consultant
>>> *org:* EdPlus/ASU
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>>> *SNS:* https://www.linkedin.com/in/longpd
>>> <https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/16/22 10:13 AM, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin wrote:
>>>
>>> No one benefits from working in silos in this space, so I support a
>>> wider
>>> ecosystem roadmap with labels/marks.
>>>
>>>
>>> ... which then begs multiple questions:
>>>
>>> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another
>>> and/or
>>> largely overlap in functionality?
>>>
>>> For example: There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play
>>> right now.
>>>
>>> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones?
>>>
>>> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose?
>>>
>>> -- manu
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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