- From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:42:38 -0500
- To: "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
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For what it's worth I spend a lot of time with the Ceramic Network (3box) community these days, mainly driven by a commitment to launch a project. On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:54 PM Kaliya Identity Woman < kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 9:42 AM Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Who should lead the heavy lift to coordinate across the various >> ecosystems? CCG? The other areas? Where are the efforts to coordinate with >> CCG from these other silos? CCG has been open to collaborating on these >> kinds of maps, but to expect CCG to lead the tracking of efforts of work >> done outside the CCG is a bit much, especially if they have limited >> interaction/contribution to the CCG. I would appreciate more overlap and >> coordination, but the effort to collaborate must come from both/all sides. >> >> The unfortunate truth is that our various orgs are honestly focused on >> their individual efforts. The people that participate in multiple orgs are >> the ones that do the knowledge sharing and collaboration. It's ad hoc at >> best. I don't think it's intentional to build silos, but there is limited >> incentive to collaborate more broadly, because if there was, we'd already >> be doing it. >> > > Well this is nice to hear you are/were open to collaboration. > > The first step in collaboration is actually getting to know folks - then > you can "do stuff" with them. > > When I organized several "meetings of all the leaders" of all the groups > in the identity for people space - > You decided not to attend. > > I organized these in part because I seemed to be one of the few people who > knew all the EDs - and many of the EDs had never spoken to each other and > didn't have each other's phone numbers - this seemed like a not good > situation given the state of the industry and the need to collaborate - but > also solve joint PR problems together (including some EDs getting death > threats over their work). > > We haven't had this meeting in more than a year (after having 4 of them) - > perhaps we should try again? > > There is a lot of activity going on it is quite overwhelming as someone > who actively tracks all three main organizations > I also pull together a newsletter every week - so I'm "on it" > http://newsletter.identosphere.net > > > >> I think the best we can do is not let our feathers get ruffled when one >> of the silos is doing their own thing that may or not dovetail or support >> another orgs activities. >> > > I think actually formally talking to the groups and trying to understand > what they are doing before automatically "Othering" is important. > > >> The solution to that scenario, jump in and participate in the orgs you >> want to lower the silo barriers. Or I guess take the lead on creating the >> coordinating ecosystem map and have everyone sign off on it. >> > > >> >> -Heather >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:02 AM Phillip D. Long <phil@rhzconsulting.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Manu - it does lead to multiple questions. But we can’t strive for >>> perfection, just somewhat greater clarity >>> >>> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another >>> and/or >>> largely overlap in functionality? >>> >>> >>> Yes, that would be very helpful as it gives us a chance to see how they >>> overlap and perhaps understand their differences better. >>> >>> There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right now. >>> >>> >>> I’m sure many are wondering why there are three approaches. And I’m sure >>> there are points of optimization that are focusing on particular use cases >>> coming for distinct verticals. Getting that out there for all to see just >>> might lead to consolidation, or at least better opportunities for those >>> implementing to make decisions about their choices for protocols to support. >>> >>> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones? >>> >>> >>> The Hyperledger community is very diverse. With that many options among >>> RFCs, even only the active ones might be a challenge. If there are only a >>> few relevant active ones, then yes, including them would be helpful. But >>> it’s also an opportunity to send a note to the RFC authors saying here’s >>> short, concise format to describe your work we’d like to include in the >>> comprehensive roadmap. If they respond great! If not just listing an >>> addendum of who was sought out and failed to respond is useful, as well. >>> >>> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose? >>> >>> >>> It’s the CCG’s roadmap. We get to choose. Start with what the CCG is >>> using and ask for volunteers to describe the others they thing should be >>> included perhaps? >>> >>> I don't for a minute fail to recognize it’s a seriously large task to >>> pull something like this off. But inviting others outside of the CCG who >>> are doing work in the space and giving them an format for contributing that >>> is simple enough to undertake and return, but sufficient to at least give a >>> sense for how their work fits into the larger picture is a variant of the >>> chunking the tasks up into digestible bites that might contribute value. >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> >>> >>> *Phillip D. Long* >>> *e: *pdlong2@asu.edu >>> Adaptive Learning Library Consultant >>> *org:* EdPlus/ASU >>> https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience >>> *SNS:* https://www.linkedin.com/in/longpd >>> <https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 3/16/22 10:13 AM, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin wrote: >>> >>> No one benefits from working in silos in this space, so I support a >>> wider >>> ecosystem roadmap with labels/marks. >>> >>> >>> ... which then begs multiple questions: >>> >>> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another >>> and/or >>> largely overlap in functionality? >>> >>> For example: There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play >>> right now. >>> >>> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones? >>> >>> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose? >>> >>> -- manu >>> >>> -- >>> Manu Sporny - >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!P6zGpIbi84WMClNMdwWAOFGKP0xPG8v-ADD-taL976tOfvqkRsLstMgXC48UN2k$ >>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >>> News: Digital Bazaar Announces New Case Studies (2021) >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.digitalbazaar.com/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!P6zGpIbi84WMClNMdwWAOFGKP0xPG8v-ADD-taL976tOfvqkRsLstMgXF6CzRpk$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Heather Vescent <http://www.heathervescent.com/> >> Co-Chair, Credentials Community Group @W3C >> <https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/> >> President, The Purple Tornado, Inc <https://thepurpletornado.com/> >> Author, The Secret of Spies <https://amzn.to/2GfJpXH> >> Author, The Cyber Attack Survival Manual >> <https://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Attack-Survival-Manual-Apocalypse/dp/1681886545/> >> Author, A Comprehensive Guide to Self Sovereign Identity >> <https://ssiscoop.com/> >> >> @heathervescent <https://twitter.com/heathervescent> | Film Futures >> <https://vimeo.com/heathervescent> | Medium >> <https://medium.com/@heathervescent/> | LinkedIn >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathervescent/> | Future of Security >> Updates <https://app.convertkit.com/landing_pages/325779/> >> >
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