- From: Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 14:52:01 -0700
- To: Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Phillip D. Long" <phil@rhzconsulting.com>, "msporny@digitalbazaar.com" <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 9:42 AM Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com> wrote: > Who should lead the heavy lift to coordinate across the various > ecosystems? CCG? The other areas? Where are the efforts to coordinate with > CCG from these other silos? CCG has been open to collaborating on these > kinds of maps, but to expect CCG to lead the tracking of efforts of work > done outside the CCG is a bit much, especially if they have limited > interaction/contribution to the CCG. I would appreciate more overlap and > coordination, but the effort to collaborate must come from both/all sides. > > The unfortunate truth is that our various orgs are honestly focused on > their individual efforts. The people that participate in multiple orgs are > the ones that do the knowledge sharing and collaboration. It's ad hoc at > best. I don't think it's intentional to build silos, but there is limited > incentive to collaborate more broadly, because if there was, we'd already > be doing it. > Well this is nice to hear you are/were open to collaboration. The first step in collaboration is actually getting to know folks - then you can "do stuff" with them. When I organized several "meetings of all the leaders" of all the groups in the identity for people space - You decided not to attend. I organized these in part because I seemed to be one of the few people who knew all the EDs - and many of the EDs had never spoken to each other and didn't have each other's phone numbers - this seemed like a not good situation given the state of the industry and the need to collaborate - but also solve joint PR problems together (including some EDs getting death threats over their work). We haven't had this meeting in more than a year (after having 4 of them) - perhaps we should try again? There is a lot of activity going on it is quite overwhelming as someone who actively tracks all three main organizations I also pull together a newsletter every week - so I'm "on it" http://newsletter.identosphere.net > I think the best we can do is not let our feathers get ruffled when one of > the silos is doing their own thing that may or not dovetail or support > another orgs activities. > I think actually formally talking to the groups and trying to understand what they are doing before automatically "Othering" is important. > The solution to that scenario, jump in and participate in the orgs you > want to lower the silo barriers. Or I guess take the lead on creating the > coordinating ecosystem map and have everyone sign off on it. > > > -Heather > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:02 AM Phillip D. Long <phil@rhzconsulting.com> > wrote: > >> Manu - it does lead to multiple questions. But we can’t strive for >> perfection, just somewhat greater clarity >> >> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another >> and/or >> largely overlap in functionality? >> >> >> Yes, that would be very helpful as it gives us a chance to see how they >> overlap and perhaps understand their differences better. >> >> There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right now. >> >> >> I’m sure many are wondering why there are three approaches. And I’m sure >> there are points of optimization that are focusing on particular use cases >> coming for distinct verticals. Getting that out there for all to see just >> might lead to consolidation, or at least better opportunities for those >> implementing to make decisions about their choices for protocols to support. >> >> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones? >> >> >> The Hyperledger community is very diverse. With that many options among >> RFCs, even only the active ones might be a challenge. If there are only a >> few relevant active ones, then yes, including them would be helpful. But >> it’s also an opportunity to send a note to the RFC authors saying here’s >> short, concise format to describe your work we’d like to include in the >> comprehensive roadmap. If they respond great! If not just listing an >> addendum of who was sought out and failed to respond is useful, as well. >> >> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose? >> >> >> It’s the CCG’s roadmap. We get to choose. Start with what the CCG is >> using and ask for volunteers to describe the others they thing should be >> included perhaps? >> >> I don't for a minute fail to recognize it’s a seriously large task to >> pull something like this off. But inviting others outside of the CCG who >> are doing work in the space and giving them an format for contributing that >> is simple enough to undertake and return, but sufficient to at least give a >> sense for how their work fits into the larger picture is a variant of the >> chunking the tasks up into digestible bites that might contribute value. >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> >> *Phillip D. Long* >> *e: *pdlong2@asu.edu >> Adaptive Learning Library Consultant >> *org:* EdPlus/ASU >> https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience >> *SNS:* https://www.linkedin.com/in/longpd >> <https://edplus.asu.edu/what-we-do/orchard-adaptive-learning-experience> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> >> wrote: >> >> On 3/16/22 10:13 AM, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin wrote: >> >> No one benefits from working in silos in this space, so I support a wider >> ecosystem roadmap with labels/marks. >> >> >> ... which then begs multiple questions: >> >> Should we point out technologies that are competitive with one another >> and/or >> largely overlap in functionality? >> >> For example: There are at least three VC exchange protocols in play right >> now. >> >> There are 68 Aries RFCs... do we list all of them? Only the active ones? >> >> Do we list vocabularies? Privately developed ones? How do we choose? >> >> -- manu >> >> -- >> Manu Sporny - >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!P6zGpIbi84WMClNMdwWAOFGKP0xPG8v-ADD-taL976tOfvqkRsLstMgXC48UN2k$ >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >> News: Digital Bazaar Announces New Case Studies (2021) >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.digitalbazaar.com/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!P6zGpIbi84WMClNMdwWAOFGKP0xPG8v-ADD-taL976tOfvqkRsLstMgXF6CzRpk$ >> >> >> >> > > -- > Heather Vescent <http://www.heathervescent.com/> > Co-Chair, Credentials Community Group @W3C > <https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/> > President, The Purple Tornado, Inc <https://thepurpletornado.com/> > Author, The Secret of Spies <https://amzn.to/2GfJpXH> > Author, The Cyber Attack Survival Manual > <https://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Attack-Survival-Manual-Apocalypse/dp/1681886545/> > Author, A Comprehensive Guide to Self Sovereign Identity > <https://ssiscoop.com/> > > @heathervescent <https://twitter.com/heathervescent> | Film Futures > <https://vimeo.com/heathervescent> | Medium > <https://medium.com/@heathervescent/> | LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathervescent/> | Future of Security Updates > <https://app.convertkit.com/landing_pages/325779/> >
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