Re: California - Verifiable Credentials

We've invited Kaliya to present and lead the discussion on this topic of
"SB786 - CA Vital Records in Verifiable Credentials" on *2/7/2023*.  You
can see the latest W3C CCG calendar here:
https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/credentials/calendar.

Sincerely,
Harrison


On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:33 PM Daniel Buchner <dbuchner@tbd.email> wrote:

> I heard rumors they're going to solve async issuance by emailing PDFs of
> creds, and that you can build decentralized apps with the by storing app
> data in mDocs. Super bullish, this approach is very highly regarded.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 10:25 PM Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>
> wrote:
>
>> mDoc does not use JWTs, CWTs or OIDC either right?
>>
>> But they do use COSE and x509?
>>
>> How can they survive without an IANA registry... Must be some fancy magic.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 10:18 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have only commented on the ISO specifications and what they currently
>>> use, I made no assessment of the technology. The ISO specifications don't
>>> currently the use W3C DID specification or the W3C VC specification.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 2:14:19 PM
>>> *To:* Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>; Kaliya Identity Woman <
>>> kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> mdoc is just the format of the document/credential which is currently
>>> encoded in cbor structures.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 2:04:05 PM
>>> *To:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Cc:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>; Credentials Community
>>> Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> mDoc is called Apple ID now right?
>>>
>>> Wonder why they didn't go with Bitcoin and JSON Web Tokens.
>>>
>>> Probably because of how unsustainable base64url encoding is.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 9:26 PM Kaliya Identity Woman <
>>> kaliya@identitywoman.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> They do mention DIDs right Tony?
>>>
>>> and then right after that "Verifiable digital identity credentialing"
>>>
>>> "An additional standard, Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0 is
>>> emerging as an alternative for verifiable digital identity
>>> credentialing.
>>>
>>> The proposed solution should adhere to these defined standards"
>>>
>>>
>>> So it doesn't sound to me like it is ONLY about mDLs and mDocs
>>>
>>>
>>> And sure enough...when I got the link
>>> <https://sam.gov/opp/5999b677ac2f485997560355643bf7fa/view> from Steve
>>> and checked....voila - the VC data model is in the references :)
>>>
>>>
>>> REFERENCES:
>>>
>>> NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM Guideline for the National
>>> Qualification System
>>>
>>> https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05/fema_nims_nqs_guideline_0.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> ISO/IEC 18013-5:2021 Personal identification — ISO-compliant driving
>>> license — Part 5: Mobile driving license (mDL) application
>>> https://www.iso.org/standard/69084.html
>>>
>>> Cards and security devices for personal identification — Building blocks
>>> for identity management via mobile devices — Part 1: Generic system
>>> architectures of mobile eID systems
>>> https://www.iso.org/standard/74910.html
>>>
>>> Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0 Core architecture, data model, and
>>> representations.
>>>
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/
>>> Verifiable Credentials Data Model v1.1.
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 7:13 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The ISO specs that are mentioned by Steve in how post  are not W3C VC
>>> based they are mdoc these are with the digital driver's license is based
>>> upon.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:55:38 PM
>>> *To:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> I'm saying that what Steve was sharing mentioned DIDs and implied VCs.
>>>  You seem very sure they were not referring to our specifications but I
>>> think they are.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:46 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made made no assumptions, I did not say anything about what
>>> governments are looking at, I'm stating  what the ISO specs are built up on
>>> and what the digital drivers licenses pilots are currently using.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:38:19 PM
>>> *To:* ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> They mention DIDs.
>>>
>>> So lets see if our friend Steve can ask them what they mean in that
>>> SBIR.
>>>
>>> You are making a lot of assumptions that Governments are not looking at
>>> and interested in using VCs or having alignment between the two
>>> standards that have very different starting points. Neither of which is a
>>> complete end-to-end solution as Lucy and I discerned in our latest work.
>>>
>>> VC <> mDL Project Stakeholder Interviews
>>> <https://medium.com/@identitywoman-in-business/vc-mdl-project-stakeholder-interviews-6d175da09598>
>>>
>>> Where can the W3C VCs meet the ISO 18013–5 mDL?
>>> <https://medium.com/@identitywoman-in-business/where-can-the-w3c-vcs-meet-the-iso-18013-5-mdl-b2d450bb19f8>An
>>> open letter to the two standards communities as well as all interested
>>> parties
>>>
>>> The EU put lots of government funding into VC projects via ESSIF Lab and
>>> EBSI and I was just in Brussels for the wrap up of ESSIF-Lab.
>>>
>>> - Kaliya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:19 PM ANTHONY NADALIN <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I participate in defining and implementing the ISO 22320 series and
>>> 18013-5, these are mdoc based not W3C VC based at this time. The mdoc
>>> credential is also called a "verifiable credential".
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 12:12:18 PM
>>> *To:* nadalin@prodigy.net <nadalin@prodigy.net>
>>> *Cc:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>  Really - and how do you know what it does or doesn't refer to.
>>>
>>>  Given that USCIS will be issuing Verifiable Credentials for Green Cards
>>> in the coming months.
>>>  I think a wallet that aligns with these standards would be a good idea.
>>>
>>> I am guessing that this dual holding and use of both standards in a
>>> wallet is what it is referring to.
>>>
>>> - Kaliya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM <nadalin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t think that the term “verifiable credentials” relative to drivers
>>> licenses has any reference to the W3C VC as this term is overloaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2022 4:11 PM
>>> *To:* Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* California - Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HI CCG,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I wanted to share more good news for California related to Verifiable
>>> Credentials in a report from the Governor called Towards Responsible
>>> Innovation
>>> <https://business.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/TowardsResponsibleInnovation_221202.pdf>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Page 1
>>>
>>>  • Government Services and Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> Page 23
>>>
>>> DMV Verifiable Credentials
>>>
>>> The DMV is also exploring improvements to state-issued credentials.
>>> Potential use cases include taking existing forms, placards, licenses, or
>>> other physical products issued by the DMV, and enhancing and/or reinventing
>>> them by adding blockchain-based forms of fraud prevention. Digital
>>> signatures and other verification procedures could be used to ensure that
>>> issuing and tracking these types of products is safer and more efficient.
>>> In late 2022 and early 2023, the DMV anticipates proving the utility of
>>> these use cases by piloting new disabled placards, new credentials for
>>> tracking driver safety courses, and driver’s licenses.
>>>
>>> page 27
>>>
>>> Explore and develop more government use cases.
>>>
>>> The public sector may be able to utilize blockchain technology to
>>> increase efficiencies, improve access to services, and reduce costs. •
>>> GovOps will continue working with state agencies and other levels of
>>> government to identify and promote blockchain pilot programs, similar to
>>> those now underway at the DMV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *State of California Releases Interagency Web3, Crypto Asset and
>>> Blockchain Progress Report *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In May 2022, Governor Gavin Newsom issued Executive Order N-9-22
>>> <https://business.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3da1cf062778afecadd465143&id=05490a31b3&e=8953aa4fe7> to
>>> ensure California engages early and proactively with this nascent industry
>>> with the goal of ensuring continued consumer protections, innovation, job
>>> growth, advancing equity and regulatory clarity, among other strategic
>>> outcomes.
>>>
>>> This interagency blockchain progress report
>>> <https://business.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3da1cf062778afecadd465143&id=c4150ebdd3&e=8953aa4fe7> -
>>> authored by the Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development, the
>>> Business Consumer Services and Housing Agency, the Department of Financial
>>> Protection and Innovation and the Government Operations Agency - reflects
>>> the administration's work to implement the executive order over the last
>>> seven months, beginning with stakeholder meetings that took place over the
>>> summer.
>>>
>>> Additional administration activities included the advancement of public
>>> use cases, and progress towards regulatory clarity. This foundation of work
>>> has positioned California to accomplish the goals set forth in the
>>> Executive Order and to realize the opportunities blockchain technologies
>>> provide to our residents.
>>>
>>>

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