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RE: Webcast: Norstella & DIN talks about European digital identity wallet (just finished)

From: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 01:59:38 +0000
To: Nikos Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr>, 'public-credentials' <public-credentials@w3.org>
Message-ID: <MWHPR1301MB20946C80EFC0CC22E4B992E0C3D49@MWHPR1301MB2094.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
RE: Just a friendly note: terms like “very far-right” are sensitive in Europe; accusing people/ideas/project of being far-right, or implying that EU is far-right can be offensive.

Nikos, thank you for highlighting this sensitivity.

That being said, this sensitivity is close to what I intended to highlight in my remarks.  The scope/context of my remarks was explicitly limited to this initiative (and not the EU as a whole). Yes, the “very” adjective could have been omitted.

As a proof point, as part of the initiative, there appears to be virtually no focus or engagement with respect to individual citizens nor the needs of small businesses (when asked).  The initiative is primarily (solely) focused on the needs of governments, (commercial) sectors, and (commercial) attribute providers.

If you watch the webcast and (re)read the reference associated with my remarks (i.e. https://hyperonomy.com/2021/02/10/is-the-social-evolution-model-harmful/), you’ll see what I mean by “far right”.  I’ve reproduced the relevant part of the blog posting below…

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From: Nikos Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr>
Sent: September 7, 2021 12:59 PM
To: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>; 'public-credentials' <public-credentials@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Webcast: Norstella & DIN talks about European digital identity wallet (just finished)

Hi,
Just a friendly note: terms like “very far-right” are sensitive in Europe; accusing people/ideas/project of being far-right, or implying that EU is far-right can be offensive.

Best,
Nikos

From: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net<mailto:mwherman@parallelspace.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 6:35 PM
To: public-credentials (public-credentials@w3.org<mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>) <public-credentials@w3.org<mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
Subject: Webcast: Norstella & DIN talks about European digital identity wallet (just finished)

The webcast Norstella & DIN talks about the European digital identity wallet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87bwwKKSWis) just finished. Unfortunately, IMO, this initiative is a very good example of a very far-right centralizationist approach to digital identity and credentials (https://hyperonomy.com/2021/02/10/is-the-social-evolution-model-harmful/) …and, as an EU initiative, IMO I believe it’s not likely to change.

That being said, I think it’s instructive and valuable to watch this 1-hour webcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87bwwKKSWis) and to form your own opinions. About 30 people attended the original broadcast.

Here is a list of some of the questions/comments I posed.  A highlight of the webcast is that most were presented and considered/answered by the panel.  Thank you.

My List of Questions/Comments

Michael Herman
​Are you actually authenticating the values of the attributes? ...or perhaps, more accurately, are you simply providing for the verifiability of the digital container/envelope for the attribute data?

Michael Herman
​How will a corner grocery store or convenience store or other small business be able to self-issue credentials?

Michael Herman
​Does the scope of what can be stored in the wallet include verifiable business documents such as purchase orders, invoices, waybills, and delivery confirmations?

Michael Herman
​If the attribute data being provided is part of my personal data (data I own and control), how do I as a person get paid?

Michael Herman
​Comment: Sounds very much like a centralizationist directed project. Very unfortunate.

Michael Herman
​Another good article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/canadian-banks-trafficking-digital-identities-canadians-herman/


Michael Herman
​Article characterizing far-left self-sovereigntists vs. far-right centralizationists: https://hyperonomy.com/2021/02/10/is-the-social-evolution-model-harmful/


Michael Herman
​Article characterizing far-left self-sovereigntists vs. far-right centralizationists: https://hyperonomy.com/2021/02/10/is-the-social-evolution-model-harmful/


Michael Herman
​How are you engaging with the needs of individual citizens and small business? ...vs. large commercial "sectors" and governments?

Michael Herman
​Please ask about people getting paid for their data

Michael Herman
​Background: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/canadian-banks-trafficking-digital-identities-canadians-herman/


Michael Herman
​Read https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/canadian-banks-trafficking-digital-identities-canadians-herman/


Michael Herman
​People are actors too

DIN
​https://meet.jit.si/DIN-TPS


DIN
​that link and heyja as password

Best regards,
Michael Herman
Far Left Self-Sovereignist
First Principles Thinker

Self-Sovereign Blockchain Architect
Trusted Digital Web
Hyperonomy Digital Identity Lab
Parallelspace Corporation

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