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Re: Feedback on Zoom & Jitsi for CCG Meetings

From: Undecillion <info@undecillion.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:10:14 -0700
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To: "W3C Credentials CG (Public List)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
Jitsi is built on WebRTC, a free open-source project that’s being standardized through the W3C and IETF.  As such, I would think that the W3C would have an interest in the success of Jitsi.

tldr this paragraph: History says that it’s time for Jitsi to be forked.  When Oracle acquired Sun:  OpenOffice->LibreOffice and MySQL->MariaDB;  When Oddo and OwnCloud attempted to take the open source projects proprietary:  Oddo->FlectraHQ;  OwnCloud->NextCloud;  In 2018, 8x8 (a competitor of Jitsi) acquired Jitsi (probably to acquire Emil Ivov’s skills).  Development of Jitsi has languished since.  Jitsi->??
https://www.8x8.com/blog/episode-5-meet-jitsi
https://investors.8x8.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2018/8x8-Acquires-Jitsi-Video-Communications-Technology-From-Atlassian/default.aspx

But, it’s not the role of the CCG to pick up development of Jitsi.  The CCG SHOULD:
Use Jitsi as long as it meets our needs (it does)
Contribute to whatever community decides to support further development
Submit bugs, feature requests, etc to the Jisti repository:  https://github.com/jitsi
It just happens that Mattermost and Jitsi are currently teaming up for a Hackathon:  Hackfest 2020: Hacking from Home: Thriving in a Remote Environment, Nov 10-17, 2020
https://hackathon.cloud.mattermost.com/login

Get involved.


Use Jitsi, contribute however you can and help guide the direction of Jitsi.

My two cents,
Kevin  Poulsen
CTO of Reliable Identities, Inc.




> On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Steve Capell <steve.capell@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Heather & Manu
> 
> Whilst it is certainly true (to heathers point) that the primary purpose is developing open DID and VC standards, it is also important to engage all contributors. And since there is often some correlation between enthusiasm for open standards and enthusiasm for open source, i think it sends the right message to prefer open source where practical.  
> 
> Personally I’m not fanatical about it and would use either.  But I’m certainly happy to use jitsi etc if it means the work effort can retain valuable contributions from those that do have stringer feelings.
> 
> To Manus questionnaire I’d say I don’t have capacity to contribute maintenance effort but am certainly willing to substitute some small financial support of say $1000/ year 
> 
> Kind regards 
> 
> Steven Capell
> Mob: 0410 437854
> 
>> On 14 Nov 2020, at 9:29 am, Heather Vescent <heathervescent@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Manu,
>> 
>> I sincerely appreciate the work you have done to make Jitsi feasible, but I have to think you may have lost sight of the purpose of the community, which is to focus on VCs and DIDs and credentialing technology, not re-build infrastructure. I will simply copy a comment someone shared with the chairs:
>> 
>> "I don't think it's important to use an open tool like Jitsi. Zoom is fine. We're not the group that's building an open teleconference platform; we're the group that's building DIDs and VCs. We don't have a problem using PDFs (a proprietary format); why should we have a problem using a proprietary teleconference tool?"
>> 
>> I am committed to making this group and our work items accessible to the broadest community. I refuse to allow us to get distracted re-inventing the wheel.
>> 
>> We have bigger fish to fry, especially if we are going to be serious about increasing global participation.
>> 
>> -Heather
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 1:21 PM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
>> On 11/12/20 6:32 PM, Heather Vescent wrote:
>> > The chairs are gathering feedback about using Zoom and Jitsi for our
>> > regular Tuesday CCG call.
>> 
>> The poll does ask the community what their preference between the two
>> conferencing systems is... and the "volunteer to maintain Jitsi" is
>> misleading -- it's really "volunteer to maintain the CCG
>> infrastructure", which includes a variety of things other than Jitsi
>> (which shouldn't take a lot of effort once things are stable). I don't
>> know why Jitsi maintenance will take 2-12 hours a month if the system works?
>> 
>> I expect the outcome is that most of us will show up no matter what
>> system is used because we value the discussion over the infrastructure.
>> I also expect that it will be difficult for people to volunteer to
>> "maintain Jitsi" just as it will be difficult for people to volunteer to
>> "maintain the CCG infrastructure" -- it's a vague ask.
>> 
>> Can we please reword the survey so we can capture people's preferences
>> on our infrastructure?
>> 
>> Some suggestions:
>> 
>> 1. How often do you attend the Tuesday CCG meeting?
>> 
>> 2. Given equivalent functionality, do you prefer to use an open
>>    source or closed source for our video conferencing system?
>> 
>> 3. Given equivalent functionality, do you prefer to use an open
>>    standards or proprietary solution for our video conferencing
>>    system?
>> 
>> 4. What features are important to you in a video
>>    conferencing solution?
>>    * Works in my Web browser
>>    * Native client
>>    * Stability
>>    * Phone-based dial-in
>>    * SIP and VoIP connection options
>>    * Accessibility
>>    * Other: ____________
>> 
>> 5. Are you willing to volunteer to maintain the tooling
>>    that the CG uses to hold meetings and generate
>>    meeting minutes (jitsi, scribe tool, system administration,
>>    documentation)?
>> 
>> 6. Are you willing to financially support the CG tooling?
>>    * No
>>    * Yes, $25/year
>>    * Yes, $50/year
>>    * Yes, $100/year
>>    * Yes, $___/year
>> 
>> 7. If you plan to volunteer, please list the things
>>    you feel comfortable helping with:
>>    * Server Maintenance
>>    * Software Maintenance / Coding
>>    * Minute Cleanup/Publishing
>>    * Updating Documentation
>>    * Other: ____________
>> 
>> The above would give us a better idea of preferences in the community.
>> 
>> -- manu
>> 
>> -- 
>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/>
>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Heather Vescent <http://www.heathervescent.com/>
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