Re: ditch voip/sip

I have experience with a self-hosted Jitsi instance. While the ux isn’t as “clean” as Zoom, it certainly checks all the boxes and offers a lot more admin control.

Not that any of us need “one more platform” but Veertly may also be worth exploring. https://veertly.com/

TK

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From: rhiaro <amy@rhiaro.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:54 AM
To: public-credentials@w3.org
Subject: Re: ditch voip/sip

Also I've had good success with hosted jitsi - which is open source, and
can be self-hosted - with medium-sized groups. Their hosted version
should support 35 people well (with video, I presume more with audio)
and I think if you self-host it and set it up right it supports a lot
more (I haven't tried this yet though). Jitsi also has screensharing,
chat and hand-raising features. I think paying a member of the group (or
small company) to maintain a jitsi instance would be more inkeeping with
the spirit of the CCG..

On 28.5.2020. 16:47, rhiaro wrote:
> Can we *enable* SIP for zoom though (W3C zoom hasn't managed this yet)
> for those of us who'd rather not install zoom (because privacy and
> security problems etc, or just avoiding proprietary software in general)
> and don't have one of those old fashioned phonecall-making devices? :)
>
> On 28.5.2020. 15:58, Drummond Reed wrote:
>> +1 as well. Zoom + dial-in capability for phone access + IRC for
>> scribing works well.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM John, Anil <anil.john@hq.dhs.gov
>> <mailto:anil.john@hq.dhs.gov>> wrote:
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>>     > Zoom offers a phone dial-in option as an alternative which
>>     hopefully would cover members in more restrictive IT environments?
>>
>>
>>
>>     +1
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>>     Provided any presentation materials are shared, this is a very
>>     viable option.
>>
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>>
>>     Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>     Anil
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>>     *From:* Rouven Heck <rouven.heck@consensys.net
>>     <mailto:rouven.heck@consensys.net>>
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:19 PM
>>     *To:* Wayne Chang <wyc@fastmail.fm <mailto:wyc@fastmail.fm>>
>>     *Cc:* Joe Andrieu <joe@legreq.com <mailto:joe@legreq.com>>; MXS
>>     Insights <mxsinsights@gmail.com <mailto:mxsinsights@gmail.com>>;
>>     Kim Hamilton <kimdhamilton@gmail.com
>>     <mailto:kimdhamilton@gmail.com>>; Kostas Karasavvas
>>     <kkarasavvas@gmail.com <mailto:kkarasavvas@gmail.com>>; Nikos
>>     Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr <mailto:fotiou@aueb.gr>>; W3C Credentials
>>     CG <public-credentials@w3.org <mailto:public-credentials@w3.org>>
>>     *Subject:* Re: ditch voip/sip
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>>     Zoom offers a phone dial-in option as an alternative which
>>     hopefully would cover members in more restrictive IT environments?
>>
>>
>>
>>     I also struggled multiple times to join via SIP, so I would be
>>     happy with Zoom too.
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:17 PM Wayne Chang <wyc@fastmail.fm
>>     <mailto:wyc@fastmail.fm>> wrote:
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>>         A Zoom SIP connector seems to available for a fee to allow
>>         those users to
>>         join: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201363273-Getting-Started-With-H-323-SIP-Room-Connector
>>
>>
>>
>>         Also, note that it seems Zoom doesn't support chatbots within
>>         the live meeting chat
>>         (https://devforum.zoom.us/t/allow-chatbots-to-join-meeting-chats/8875),
>>         although we could still have parity with the join/part
>>         notifications we have in IRC today using the Meetings Events
>>         webhooks
>>         (https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/webhook-reference/meeting-events/participant-joined-meeting).
>>         So if we were to use Zoom, we may need to rewrite this
>>         integration and should keep all the chat and scribing within
>>         IRC for max accessibility.
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
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>>             We also have the problem that many of our members,
>>             including federal employees, are restricted from running
>>             Zoom on corporate computers.
>>
>>
>>
>>             So, while I do like the idea of a standard screen sharing
>>             solution, I'd lean towards something that doesn't isolate
>>             our members who have IT departments with a sensitivity to
>>             Zoom's privacy and security issues.
>>
>>
>>
>>             -j
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>>             On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 10:17 AM, MXS Insights wrote:
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>>                 Kim, you may also want to look at the
>>                 auto-transcription capability.  It is being used on
>>                 the Secure Data Storage WG, and it has convinced the
>>                 community there.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 Michael Shea
>>
>>
>>
>>                     On May 27, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Kim Hamilton
>>                     <kimdhamilton@gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:kimdhamilton@gmail..com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>                     Thank you so much Balázs. When we've discussed
>>                     this in the past, we had a few concerns around
>>                     switching (which I've managed to block out), but
>>                     the big factor that stands out is cost. DIF's
>>                     support would be a tremendous help.
>>
>>
>>
>>                     I think all of our other concerns would be
>>                     addressed by doing zoom + irc (for
>>                     queueing/minutes). As a bonus, zoom recordings are
>>                     way easier than what we do now (which is the
>>                     reason some recordings are still to-be-backfilled).
>>
>>
>>
>>                     Chairs: we'll need to make sure we're not
>>                     forgetting anything; let's discuss.
>>
>>
>>
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>>                     On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:03 AM Kostas Karasavvas
>>                     <kkarasavvas@gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:kkarasavvas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                         +1
>>
>>
>>
>>                         On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:29 AM MXS Insights
>>                         <mxsinsights@gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:mxsinsights@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             +1
>>
>>
>>
>>                             Michael Shea
>>
>>
>>
>>                             > On May 26, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Nikos
>>                             Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr
>>                             <mailto:fotiou@aueb.gr>> wrote:
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > Hi,
>>
>>                             > I would like to bring up again the
>>                             voip/sip issue. At least in my case it is
>>                             impossible to connect using sip and I
>>                             always end up dialing in using skype. I am
>>                             wondering why sip is still the used
>>                             method, especially given that ZOOM is used
>>                             for other calls, even in the same group
>>                             (e.g., did-resolution). I read in the
>>                             mailing list archives that one of the
>>                             reasons is audio recording, but AFAICT the
>>                             audio recordings from most of the last
>>                             meetings are missing (e.g.,
>>                             https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-05-19/audio.ogg
>>                             https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-04-21/audio.ogg
>>                             https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-04-07/audio.ogg
>>                             and many others)
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > Best,
>>
>>                             > Nikos
>>
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