- From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 08:28:28 -0400
- To: public-credentials@w3.org
On 3/28/20 12:55 AM, Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא wrote: > I mentioned the fact that it is open source not as a testimony for its > being good, but as a practical advice for people in countries that do > not have it, so that they can easily adopt it and adapt it to their own > country's needs. While I agree with Paolo's point that being open source is not SUFFICIENT to ensure goodness, I think it is a NECESSARY condition for such an app, so that it can be scrutinized by all and gain the trust of the community. David Booth > Separately, I have sent an opinion by Adi Shamir (the S in RSA, a > Turing-award winner and a leading authority on security and privacy). > Be safe, > Udi > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:33 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com > <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Well, thanks- > however > based on experience, let me also add > > that it does not matter how good honest open source the design is, > everything can be twisted and deployed in such a way contrary to > what the label says > an app can be designed to > a) give everyone the impression is ethical and respects privacy > and is really nice and friendly > b) does exactly the opposite - in ways that nobody can cognitively > discern due to secret state abuse > > for now I am leaving the phone at home when I go out > (I am very responsible and not infected and dont go out much at all > in fact) > > I have become rather suspicious of everything that rings > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:11 PM Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא > <ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il <mailto:ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il>> > wrote: > > Israel has a pretty good one. > It's open source > https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/22032020_04 > > > בתאריך שבת, 28 במרץ 2020 ב-6:56 מאת Paola Di Maio > <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>: > > Hi David > this is important, thanks- > > I am in a location in Asia - better not specify since very > aggressive folks > have been tackling me at close range despite me taking all > the necessary precautions to prevent it > > I know that new visitors in quarantine are being phone tracked- > they are being informed as much, and agree to both the > quarantine and the tracking > > However the other day as I was sitting next to a local > friend, she received an alert on her phone, followed by a > phone call, all a local language which I do not understand > > After that, she started becoming very inquisitive about my > arrival date whereabouts and contacts to other foreigners > etc. I reassured her that I arrived long before the epidemic > started and have sparse contacts with other foreigners after > which she seemed reassured > > So, not only newcominers are being finromed of surveillance > and agree to it. but > there are mechanisms to alert citizens when their cell comes > into range of a cell which is registered to a foreign > passport, this is all under the radar afaik > > So your inquiry touches me personally > > How to design a good useful app that respects privacy.... > tough one. > I think you need to design an expert system/decision support > tree > that the app must follow in the alert workflow > > I d design a decision tree first > Ping me offlist pls if you need my input > > PDM > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:38 AM David Booth > <david@dbooth.org <mailto:david@dbooth.org>> wrote: > > On 3/27/20 11:18 PM, Moses Ma wrote: > > How do y’all feel about Singapore’s TraceTogether? > > See: > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3 > > Also: > > > https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process > > > > How would you design a fully decentralized contact > tracer? > > Or, more broadly: how would you design a > privacy-protecting contact > tracer? This is urgently needed. > > Potential variations: 1. The app notifies you if it > determines that you > may have been exposed to COVID-19, without saying how it > made that > determination. 2. The app notifies healthcare officials > that you may > have been exposed, without telling them how it made that > determination. > > Ideas? > > David Booth > > > > > Moses > > > > > > - > > *Moses Ma | FutureLab Consulting Inc* > > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com > <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com> | > moses@ngenven.com <mailto:moses@ngenven.com> > > v +1.415.952.7888 <tel:+1.415.952.7888> | m > +1.415.568.1068 > > <tel:+1.415.568.1068> | skype mosesma > > > > > > > >> On Mar 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Ian Smith > <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro>>> wrote: > >> > >> proposing anti covid-19 protests to avoid saving > lives is part of the > >> ethos here? I wasn't aware that preventing the > countermeasure to > >> pandemic response was what this group was about > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:10 AM Manu Sporny > <msporny@digitalbazaar.com > <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com> > >> <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com > <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> On 3/27/20 8:41 AM, Daniel Hardman wrote: > >> > I will try to join you. Thank you for > suggesting it. > >> > >> I can't join, but thank you for the message and > I'll observe the > >> moment > >> of silence, Christopher. > >> > >> Visiting the memorial in person with people from > this group was moving > >> and a reminder that we need to keep these > painful lessons from the > >> past > >> in mind as we build out these systems. > >> > >> > @Ian: I share your frustration with the > surveillance economy, > >> but feel > >> > that your comment steps away from the ethos of > our group. > >> > >> I'd like to underscore Daniel's comment. Many of > us are in this group > >> because we share in the frustration with the > current surveillance > >> economy. That said, the frustration is no excuse > to tear down what > >> others in the community are building. Your > criticism was not > >> constructive, please refrain from doing that again. > >> > >> We need to focus on helping each other build the > world that we want to > >> see realized. > >> > >> -- manu > >> > >> -- > >> Manu Sporny - > https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ > >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > >> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier > Blockchain Launches > >> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches > >> > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile >
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