- From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:08:29 +0800
- To: Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא <ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il>
- Cc: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAMXe=SodfJdNbsUMcr_iqJXXJx7yr2WVacxqPiX6gdnyvi1d-g@mail.gmail.com>
Thank you and I was not referring to the os app you sent as being the problem - got the note thanks - nor the legitimate tracking apps - those to which one agrees to the problem is what is going on undetected, under the radar, and beyond what is allowed by the law, and as such, there is no law enforcement against I have no idea who can enable msgs triggered by cell to cell interaction, nobody knows this is going on either - we dont need an app afaik to locate a phone by GPS tracking. its built in the system (my location is not enabled on the phone yet the fitness app knows how many kms I walk without me asking) there must be something else out there be safe!! PDM On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:55 PM Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא < ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il> wrote: > I mentioned the fact that it is open source not as a testimony for its > being good, but as a practical advice for people in countries that do not > have it, so that they can easily adopt it and adapt it to their own > country's needs. > Separately, I have sent an opinion by Adi Shamir (the S in RSA, a > Turing-award winner and a leading authority on security and privacy). > Be safe, > Udi > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:33 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well, thanks- >> however >> based on experience, let me also add >> >> that it does not matter how good honest open source the design is, >> everything can be twisted and deployed in such a way contrary to what the >> label says >> an app can be designed to >> a) give everyone the impression is ethical and respects privacy and is >> really nice and friendly >> b) does exactly the opposite - in ways that nobody can cognitively >> discern due to secret state abuse >> >> for now I am leaving the phone at home when I go out >> (I am very responsible and not infected and dont go out much at all in >> fact) >> >> I have become rather suspicious of everything that rings >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:11 PM Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא < >> ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> Israel has a pretty good one. >>> It's open source >>> https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/22032020_04 >>> >>> >>> בתאריך שבת, 28 במרץ 2020 ב-6:56 מאת Paola Di Maio < >>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi David >>>> this is important, thanks- >>>> >>>> I am in a location in Asia - better not specify since very aggressive >>>> folks >>>> have been tackling me at close range despite me taking all the >>>> necessary precautions to prevent it >>>> >>>> I know that new visitors in quarantine are being phone tracked- >>>> they are being informed as much, and agree to both the quarantine and >>>> the tracking >>>> >>>> However the other day as I was sitting next to a local friend, she >>>> received an alert on her phone, followed by a phone call, all a local >>>> language which I do not understand >>>> >>>> After that, she started becoming very inquisitive about my arrival >>>> date whereabouts and contacts to other foreigners etc. I reassured her that >>>> I arrived long before the epidemic started and have sparse contacts with >>>> other foreigners after which she seemed reassured >>>> >>>> So, not only newcominers are being finromed of surveillance and agree >>>> to it. but >>>> there are mechanisms to alert citizens when their cell comes into range >>>> of a cell which is registered to a foreign passport, this is all under the >>>> radar afaik >>>> >>>> So your inquiry touches me personally >>>> >>>> How to design a good useful app that respects privacy.... tough one. >>>> I think you need to design an expert system/decision support tree >>>> that the app must follow in the alert workflow >>>> >>>> I d design a decision tree first >>>> Ping me offlist pls if you need my input >>>> >>>> PDM >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:38 AM David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/27/20 11:18 PM, Moses Ma wrote: >>>>> > How do y’all feel about Singapore’s TraceTogether? >>>>> > See: >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3 >>>>> > Also: >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process >>>>> > >>>>> > How would you design a fully decentralized contact tracer? >>>>> >>>>> Or, more broadly: how would you design a privacy-protecting contact >>>>> tracer? This is urgently needed. >>>>> >>>>> Potential variations: 1. The app notifies you if it determines that >>>>> you >>>>> may have been exposed to COVID-19, without saying how it made that >>>>> determination. 2. The app notifies healthcare officials that you may >>>>> have been exposed, without telling them how it made that determination. >>>>> >>>>> Ideas? >>>>> >>>>> David Booth >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > Moses >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > - >>>>> > *Moses Ma | FutureLab Consulting Inc* >>>>> > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com | moses@ngenven.com >>>>> > v +1.415.952.7888 <tel:+1.415.952.7888> | m +1.415.568.1068 >>>>> > <tel:+1.415.568.1068> | skype mosesma >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Mar 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Ian Smith <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> proposing anti covid-19 protests to avoid saving lives is part of >>>>> the >>>>> >> ethos here? I wasn't aware that preventing the countermeasure to >>>>> >> pandemic response was what this group was about >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:10 AM Manu Sporny < >>>>> msporny@digitalbazaar.com >>>>> >> <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 3/27/20 8:41 AM, Daniel Hardman wrote: >>>>> >> > I will try to join you. Thank you for suggesting it. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I can't join, but thank you for the message and I'll observe the >>>>> >> moment >>>>> >> of silence, Christopher. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Visiting the memorial in person with people from this group was >>>>> moving >>>>> >> and a reminder that we need to keep these painful lessons from >>>>> the >>>>> >> past >>>>> >> in mind as we build out these systems. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > @Ian: I share your frustration with the surveillance economy, >>>>> >> but feel >>>>> >> > that your comment steps away from the ethos of our group. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I'd like to underscore Daniel's comment. Many of us are in this >>>>> group >>>>> >> because we share in the frustration with the current >>>>> surveillance >>>>> >> economy. That said, the frustration is no excuse to tear down >>>>> what >>>>> >> others in the community are building. Your criticism was not >>>>> >> constructive, please refrain from doing that again. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> We need to focus on helping each other build the world that we >>>>> want to >>>>> >> see realized. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- manu >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ >>>>> >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >>>>> >> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches >>>>> >> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>
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