- From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 12:32:21 +0800
- To: Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא <ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il>
- Cc: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAMXe=SrtZ41d2w7y4rNJ3+RQUWSsj5-jc+tXhvA4wUT_p4fMog@mail.gmail.com>
Well, thanks- however based on experience, let me also add that it does not matter how good honest open source the design is, everything can be twisted and deployed in such a way contrary to what the label says an app can be designed to a) give everyone the impression is ethical and respects privacy and is really nice and friendly b) does exactly the opposite - in ways that nobody can cognitively discern due to secret state abuse for now I am leaving the phone at home when I go out (I am very responsible and not infected and dont go out much at all in fact) I have become rather suspicious of everything that rings On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:11 PM Ehud Shapiro אהוד שפירא < ehud.shapiro@weizmann.ac.il> wrote: > Israel has a pretty good one. > It's open source > https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/22032020_04 > > > בתאריך שבת, 28 במרץ 2020 ב-6:56 מאת Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com > >: > >> Hi David >> this is important, thanks- >> >> I am in a location in Asia - better not specify since very aggressive >> folks >> have been tackling me at close range despite me taking all the necessary >> precautions to prevent it >> >> I know that new visitors in quarantine are being phone tracked- >> they are being informed as much, and agree to both the quarantine and the >> tracking >> >> However the other day as I was sitting next to a local friend, she >> received an alert on her phone, followed by a phone call, all a local >> language which I do not understand >> >> After that, she started becoming very inquisitive about my arrival date >> whereabouts and contacts to other foreigners etc. I reassured her that I >> arrived long before the epidemic started and have sparse contacts with >> other foreigners after which she seemed reassured >> >> So, not only newcominers are being finromed of surveillance and agree to >> it. but >> there are mechanisms to alert citizens when their cell comes into range >> of a cell which is registered to a foreign passport, this is all under the >> radar afaik >> >> So your inquiry touches me personally >> >> How to design a good useful app that respects privacy.... tough one. >> I think you need to design an expert system/decision support tree >> that the app must follow in the alert workflow >> >> I d design a decision tree first >> Ping me offlist pls if you need my input >> >> PDM >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:38 AM David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote: >> >>> On 3/27/20 11:18 PM, Moses Ma wrote: >>> > How do y’all feel about Singapore’s TraceTogether? >>> > See: >>> > >>> https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3 >>> > Also: >>> > >>> https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process >>> > >>> > How would you design a fully decentralized contact tracer? >>> >>> Or, more broadly: how would you design a privacy-protecting contact >>> tracer? This is urgently needed. >>> >>> Potential variations: 1. The app notifies you if it determines that you >>> may have been exposed to COVID-19, without saying how it made that >>> determination. 2. The app notifies healthcare officials that you may >>> have been exposed, without telling them how it made that determination. >>> >>> Ideas? >>> >>> David Booth >>> >>> > >>> > Moses >>> > >>> > >>> > - >>> > *Moses Ma | FutureLab Consulting Inc* >>> > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com | moses@ngenven.com >>> > v +1.415.952.7888 <tel:+1.415.952.7888> | m +1.415.568.1068 >>> > <tel:+1.415.568.1068> | skype mosesma >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On Mar 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Ian Smith <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro>> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> proposing anti covid-19 protests to avoid saving lives is part of the >>> >> ethos here? I wasn't aware that preventing the countermeasure to >>> >> pandemic response was what this group was about >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:10 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com >>> >> <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On 3/27/20 8:41 AM, Daniel Hardman wrote: >>> >> > I will try to join you. Thank you for suggesting it. >>> >> >>> >> I can't join, but thank you for the message and I'll observe the >>> >> moment >>> >> of silence, Christopher. >>> >> >>> >> Visiting the memorial in person with people from this group was >>> moving >>> >> and a reminder that we need to keep these painful lessons from the >>> >> past >>> >> in mind as we build out these systems. >>> >> >>> >> > @Ian: I share your frustration with the surveillance economy, >>> >> but feel >>> >> > that your comment steps away from the ethos of our group. >>> >> >>> >> I'd like to underscore Daniel's comment. Many of us are in this >>> group >>> >> because we share in the frustration with the current surveillance >>> >> economy. That said, the frustration is no excuse to tear down what >>> >> others in the community are building. Your criticism was not >>> >> constructive, please refrain from doing that again. >>> >> >>> >> We need to focus on helping each other build the world that we >>> want to >>> >> see realized. >>> >> >>> >> -- manu >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ >>> >> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >>> >> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches >>> >> https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches >>> >> >>> >>> -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile >
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