Re: A Moment of Silence #Foremembrance Today at 19:06 CET, 2:06 pm EDT, 11:06 am PDT, and Saturday at 2:06am in Hong Kong & Taipei

Agree that it could be part of a privacy-protecting healthcare record. Basically you can expose your health status without giving away your civil identity. Or only give your medical information in an encrypted form and use something like TEE to do privacy-preserving computation for the authority to filter the infected cases...

> 在 2020年3月28日，下午12:26，Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com> 写道：
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> This is a really complex problem, but I think it might be possible to come up with a radically simple design...
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> Some issues/design considerations:
> 0. What works in Singapore or China, probably won’t in America.
> 1. There needs to be some way for the CDC to contact or identify a person, eg if someone is a asymptomatic super-spreader... this would abrogate privacy laws in favor of the public good.
> 2. This becomes a balancing of individual rights vs the health of the commons.
> 3. I’m wondering if there’s something in Elinor Ostrom’s work that might be applicable here, to create a simple and equitable solution.
> 4. Perhaps the entire dataset, containing extremely intrusive data collection, could be converted to a fully private research status, accessible only to credentialed epidemiologists for study, after the pandemic ends; the equivalent of a sunset provision.
> 5. I suspect the solution to this problem could inform the design of privacy-protecting electronic healthcare records systems.
> 6. I’m less concerned about the technology of how to do it, and more about getting the social implications right, like how to invent people to want to download and install it.
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> Anyway, would this be a good project for CCG to design collaboratively, as a contribution to society? 
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> My company has some proximity verification code that we could re-purpose here.
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> Moses
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>> On Mar 27, 2020 at 8:59 PM, <Kevin O'Brien <mailto:kevin@kiva.org>> wrote:
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>> I think they have a pretty design considering their constraints, at least of what they have claimed to be doing:
>> https://www.tracetogether.gov.sg/common/privacystatement <https://www.tracetogether.gov.sg/common/privacystatement>
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>> One way to decentralize would be to implement on top of a decentralized ledger with a proof of authority system participated in by various governments and/or non-profits as a consortium. Because you are only storing interaction events between ids, not sure an external data store is even needed for encrypted data. The only tricky part is ensuring there is a way to notify the identifiers that came into contact with an individual who tests (and registers in the system) as positive without giving up the identifying info. I think as long as the system only supports "pulls", then basically only you as the holder of a secret or certificate to unlock your id could check regularly if it had a contact event with a positive individual. Probably other ways to solve it though.
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>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 8:20 PM Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>> wrote:
>> Re: surveillance vs liberty...
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>> How do y’all feel about Singapore’s TraceTogether?
>> See: https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3 <https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3>
>> Also: https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process <https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process>
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>> How would you design a fully decentralized contact tracer?
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>> Moses
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>>> On Mar 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Ian Smith <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro>> wrote:
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>>> proposing anti covid-19 protests to avoid saving lives is part of the ethos here? I wasn't aware that preventing the countermeasure to pandemic response was what this group was about 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:10 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
>>> On 3/27/20 8:41 AM, Daniel Hardman wrote:
>>> > I will try to join you. Thank you for suggesting it.
>>> 
>>> I can't join, but thank you for the message and I'll observe the moment
>>> of silence, Christopher.
>>> 
>>> Visiting the memorial in person with people from this group was moving
>>> and a reminder that we need to keep these painful lessons from the past
>>> in mind as we build out these systems.
>>> 
>>> > @Ian: I share your frustration with the surveillance economy, but feel
>>> > that your comment steps away from the ethos of our group.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to underscore Daniel's comment. Many of us are in this group
>>> because we share in the frustration with the current surveillance
>>> economy. That said, the frustration is no excuse to tear down what
>>> others in the community are building. Your criticism was not
>>> constructive, please refrain from doing that again.
>>> 
>>> We need to focus on helping each other build the world that we want to
>>> see realized.
>>> 
>>> -- manu
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/>
>>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>> blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
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