Re: Privacy-protecting contact tracer for COVID-19? [was Re: A Moment of Silence #Foremembrance Today at 19:06 CET, 2:06 pm EDT, 11:06 am PDT, and Saturday at 2:06am in Hong Kong & Taipei]

Hi David
this is important, thanks-

I am in a location in Asia - better not specify since very aggressive folks
have been tackling me at close range despite me taking all the necessary
precautions to prevent it

I know that new visitors in quarantine are being phone tracked-
they are being informed as much, and agree to both the quarantine and the
tracking

However the other day as I was sitting next to a local friend, she received
an alert on her phone, followed by a phone call, all a local language which
I do not understand

 After that, she started becoming very inquisitive about my arrival date
whereabouts and contacts to other foreigners etc. I reassured her that I
arrived long before the epidemic started and have sparse contacts with
other foreigners after which she seemed reassured

So, not only newcominers are being finromed of surveillance and agree to
it. but
there are mechanisms to alert citizens when their cell comes into range of
a cell which is registered to a foreign passport, this is all under the
radar afaik

So your inquiry touches me personally

How to design a good useful app that respects privacy....  tough one.
I think you need to design an expert system/decision support tree
that the app must follow in the alert workflow

I d design a decision tree first
Ping me offlist pls if you need my input

PDM


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:38 AM David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:

> On 3/27/20 11:18 PM, Moses Ma wrote:
> > How do y’all feel about Singapore’s TraceTogether?
> > See:
> >
> https://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-coronavirus-app-tracking-testing-no-shutdown-how-it-works-2020-3
> > Also:
> >
> https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/tracetogether-behind-the-scenes-look-at-its-development-process
> >
> > How would you design a fully decentralized contact tracer?
>
> Or, more broadly: how would you design a privacy-protecting contact
> tracer?  This is urgently needed.
>
> Potential variations: 1. The app notifies you if it determines that you
> may have been exposed to COVID-19, without saying how it made that
> determination.  2. The app notifies healthcare officials that you may
> have been exposed, without telling them how it made that determination.
>
> Ideas?
>
> David Booth
>
> >
> > Moses
> >
> >
> > -
> > *Moses Ma | FutureLab Consulting Inc*
> > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com | moses@ngenven.com
> > v +1.415.952.7888 <tel:+1.415.952.7888> | m +1.415.568.1068
> > <tel:+1.415.568.1068> | skype mosesma
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Ian Smith <mailto:ian@vidicode.pro>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> proposing anti covid-19 protests to avoid saving lives is part of the
> >> ethos here? I wasn't aware that preventing the countermeasure to
> >> pandemic response was what this group was about
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 6:10 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com
> >> <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     On 3/27/20 8:41 AM, Daniel Hardman wrote:
> >>     > I will try to join you. Thank you for suggesting it.
> >>
> >>     I can't join, but thank you for the message and I'll observe the
> >>     moment
> >>     of silence, Christopher.
> >>
> >>     Visiting the memorial in person with people from this group was
> moving
> >>     and a reminder that we need to keep these painful lessons from the
> >>     past
> >>     in mind as we build out these systems.
> >>
> >>     > @Ian: I share your frustration with the surveillance economy,
> >>     but feel
> >>     > that your comment steps away from the ethos of our group.
> >>
> >>     I'd like to underscore Daniel's comment. Many of us are in this
> group
> >>     because we share in the frustration with the current surveillance
> >>     economy. That said, the frustration is no excuse to tear down what
> >>     others in the community are building. Your criticism was not
> >>     constructive, please refrain from doing that again.
> >>
> >>     We need to focus on helping each other build the world that we want
> to
> >>     see realized.
> >>
> >>     -- manu
> >>
> >>     --
> >>     Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
> >>     Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> >>     blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
> >>     https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches
> >>
>
>