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Re: Educational Occupational Verifiable Credentials Survey

From: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:59:40 -0700
To: Kim Hamilton Duffy <kim@learningmachine.com>
Cc: public-credentials@w3.org
Message-ID: <3aac2aa6-0712-e8ec-1f99-d298cf429052@sunshine.net>
On 2018-03-29 1:12 PM, Kim Hamilton Duffy wrote:
> Just to close on this -- Steven, can you (or someone) take the action 
> item of suggesting an alternative and converting it?

I may be wrong, but I believe in the past there were several surveys 
done using Survey Monkey, which I believe Manu set up. Or if he or 
no-one else is available who can easily set up Survey Monkey, or an 
open source alternative like listed at [1], it may be best from your 
point of view just to go with Google forms, and if so I understand that.

I don't think I'm the appropriate person to attempt this, for several 
reasons which I don't need to list here.

And anyway you may get everybody answering except me, which would work 
fine. :-)

Or, you could do an informal survey about the survey, and see how many 
list people you'd lose if you used Google Forms vs. something else.  ;-)


[1] https://opensource.com/article/17/2/tools-online-surveys-polls







> 
> Thanks,
> Kim
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:43 AM Kim Hamilton Duffy 
> <kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com>> wrote:
> 
>     good question...I'm fine going another route
> 
>     On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM Steven Rowat
>     <steven_rowat@sunshine.net <mailto:steven_rowat@sunshine.net>> wrote:
> 
>         On 2018-03-28 11:08 AM, kim@learningmachine.com
>         <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> wrote:
>          > Google Forms
>          >
>          > We've invited you to fill out a survey:
>          > Educational Occupational Verifiable Credentials Survey
>          >
>         <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScxBQCFb5EetJd8kCmYxcR_dFtSDgBIdyeW1unV6x7HsvUObw/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link>
>          > Tell us what your interests are and what problems you'd like to
>          > address as part of the W3C CCG Task Force
>          > Fill out form
>          >
>         <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScxBQCFb5EetJd8kCmYxcR_dFtSDgBIdyeW1unV6x7HsvUObw/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link>
> 
>         Coincidentally, I read this morning (see link below) about
>         Google's
>         collection of data of Google Account holders. They are
>         *completely*
>         thorough. They collect everything done online using their
>         software. I
>         thought I knew what they were collecting, but there is much
>         more than
>         I expected:
> 
>         https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy
> 
>         And so, there's the possibility that the answers on this
>         survey will
>         be part of a permanent record that can be traced to the
>         respondent.
> 
>         Since, by some interpretations, DID and Verifiable Claims can be
>         viewed as diametrically opposed to Google's business model,
>         knowing
>         who is against them might become important to them, even if
>         they don't
>         care at the moment; they may care more later.
> 
>         Are we supplying them with that information here?
> 
>         I suggest that the Guardian article indicates that the default
>         answer
>         must be yes, unless it can be guaranteed -- or shown beyond a
>         reasonable doubt -- that the respondents and their answers
>         can't be
>         linked through this form.
> 
>         In other words: can my MAC address or ISP address, and/or my
>         name, be
>         linked to my answers here, and stored on Google servers, to be
>         analysed by them later?
> 
>         Or not?
> 
>         If "not", how do you know this?  Saying "Because Google told
>         me so"
>         isn't good enough for me here. ;-)
> 
>         Thanks, Steven
> 
>     -- 
>     Kim Hamilton Duffy
>     CTO & Principal Architect Learning Machine
>     Co-chair W3C Credentials Community Group
>     400 Main Street Building E19-732, Cambridge, MA 02139
> 
>     kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> |
>     kimhd@mit.edu <mailto:kimhd@mit.edu>
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> 
> -- 
> Kim Hamilton Duffy
> CTO & Principal Architect Learning Machine
> Co-chair W3C Credentials Community Group
> 400 Main Street Building E19-732, Cambridge, MA 02139
> 
> kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> | 
> kimhd@mit.edu <mailto:kimhd@mit.edu>
> 425-652-0150 | LearningMachine.com
> 
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