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Re: Educational Occupational Verifiable Credentials Survey

From: Kim Hamilton Duffy <kim@learningmachine.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 22:21:33 +0000
Message-ID: <CAB=TY864teGpTjZMfdDatfRZTaKvi_H3LHuBZtB4EXcWO3Ly3A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
Cc: public-credentials@w3.org
no worries Steven. Folks, let's just call off the poll for now until
someone has time to take this on. I'll pull the form.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:59 PM Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
wrote:

> On 2018-03-29 1:12 PM, Kim Hamilton Duffy wrote:
> > Just to close on this -- Steven, can you (or someone) take the action
> > item of suggesting an alternative and converting it?
>
> I may be wrong, but I believe in the past there were several surveys
> done using Survey Monkey, which I believe Manu set up. Or if he or
> no-one else is available who can easily set up Survey Monkey, or an
> open source alternative like listed at [1], it may be best from your
> point of view just to go with Google forms, and if so I understand that.
>
> I don't think I'm the appropriate person to attempt this, for several
> reasons which I don't need to list here.
>
> And anyway you may get everybody answering except me, which would work
> fine. :-)
>
> Or, you could do an informal survey about the survey, and see how many
> list people you'd lose if you used Google Forms vs. something else.  ;-)
>
>
> [1] https://opensource.com/article/17/2/tools-online-surveys-polls
>
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> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kim
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:43 AM Kim Hamilton Duffy
> > <kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     good question...I'm fine going another route
> >
> >     On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM Steven Rowat
> >     <steven_rowat@sunshine.net <mailto:steven_rowat@sunshine.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> >         On 2018-03-28 11:08 AM, kim@learningmachine.com
> >         <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> wrote:
> >          > Google Forms
> >          >
> >          > We've invited you to fill out a survey:
> >          > Educational Occupational Verifiable Credentials Survey
> >          >
> >         <
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScxBQCFb5EetJd8kCmYxcR_dFtSDgBIdyeW1unV6x7HsvUObw/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link
> >
> >          > Tell us what your interests are and what problems you'd like
> to
> >          > address as part of the W3C CCG Task Force
> >          > Fill out form
> >          >
> >         <
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScxBQCFb5EetJd8kCmYxcR_dFtSDgBIdyeW1unV6x7HsvUObw/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link
> >
> >
> >         Coincidentally, I read this morning (see link below) about
> >         Google's
> >         collection of data of Google Account holders. They are
> >         *completely*
> >         thorough. They collect everything done online using their
> >         software. I
> >         thought I knew what they were collecting, but there is much
> >         more than
> >         I expected:
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy
> >
> >         And so, there's the possibility that the answers on this
> >         survey will
> >         be part of a permanent record that can be traced to the
> >         respondent.
> >
> >         Since, by some interpretations, DID and Verifiable Claims can be
> >         viewed as diametrically opposed to Google's business model,
> >         knowing
> >         who is against them might become important to them, even if
> >         they don't
> >         care at the moment; they may care more later.
> >
> >         Are we supplying them with that information here?
> >
> >         I suggest that the Guardian article indicates that the default
> >         answer
> >         must be yes, unless it can be guaranteed -- or shown beyond a
> >         reasonable doubt -- that the respondents and their answers
> >         can't be
> >         linked through this f
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=linked+through+this+f&entry=gmail&source=g>
> orm.
> >
> >         In other words: can my MAC address or ISP address, and/or my
> >         name, be
> >         linked to my answers here, and stored on Google servers, to be
> >         analysed by them later?
> >
> >         Or not?
> >
> >         If "not", how do you know this?  Saying "Because Google told
> >         me so"
> >         isn't good enough for me here. ;-)
> >
> >         Thanks, Steven
> >
> >     --
> >     Kim Hamilton Duffy
> >     CTO & Principal Architect Learning Machine
> >     Co-chair W3C Credentials Community Group
> >     400 Main Street Building E19-732, Cambridge, MA 02139
> >
> >     kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> |
> >     kimhd@mit.edu <mailto:kimhd@mit.edu>
> >     425-652-0150 <(425)%20652-0150> <tel:(425)%20652-0150> |
> LearningMachine.com
> >
> > --
> > Kim Hamilton Duffy
> > CTO & Principal Architect Learning Machine
> > Co-chair W3C Credentials Community Group
> > 400 Main Street Building E19-732, Cambridge, MA 02139
> >
> > kim@learningmachine.com <mailto:kim@learningmachine.com> |
> > kimhd@mit.edu <mailto:kimhd@mit.edu>
> > 425-652-0150 <(425)%20652-0150> | LearningMachine.com
> >
>
-- 
Kim Hamilton Duffy
CTO & Principal Architect Learning Machine
Co-chair W3C Credentials Community Group
400 Main Street Building E19-732, Cambridge, MA 02139

kim@learningmachine.com | kimhd@mit.edu
425-652-0150 | LearningMachine.com
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