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RE: [WCAG2 TECHS] i18n comment 5: H56 source text

From: Martin Duerst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:16 +0900
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To: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>, <public-comments-wcag20@w3.org>
Cc: <public-i18n-core@w3.org>

At 03:00 07/11/17, Richard Ishida wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, the example shown will produce exactly the wrong result.  The
>", W3C" text must appear inside the span element to produce the expected
>result.
>
>If you change the example, however, you will run into the problem of how to
>show source text in a sensible fashion, since the hebrew is running right to
>left, and W3C must run left to right and be positioned to the left.
>
>I suggest that you describe the source text rather than show it. Eg. "... o
>the left of (i.e. after) the Hebrew text. This can be achieved by enclosing
>the quote in a span, to which the attribute code dir="rtl" has been added." 

Another way to show the source text is to split it up into multiple
lines. In HTML source, a line break (and surrounding space) is equivalent
to a space, but bidi reordering doesn't reorder text across lines.

Regards,   Martin.

>I would also be tempted to show before and after examples, like those I
>suggested for
>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007OctDec/0135.html
>If you want to do that, and need me to help provide examples and
>visually-ordered ascii, let me know.  (I didn't do it just in case, because
>it takes a while to create them.)
>
>RI
>
>
>============
>Richard Ishida
>Internationalization Lead
>W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> 
>http://www.w3.org/International/
>http://rishida.net/blog/
>http://rishida.net/
>
> 
> 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-i18n-core-request@w3.org 
>> [mailto:public-i18n-core-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
>> Sent: 16 November 2007 15:51
>> To: public-i18n-core@w3.org
>> Subject: RE: [WCAG2 TECHS] i18n comment 5: H56 source text
>> 
>> 
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com]
>>   Sent: 04 November 2007 05:09
>>  ...
>>   Please review our resolutions for the following comments,  
>> and reply to  us by 19 November 2007 at  
>> public-comments-wcag20@w3.org to say whether  you are  
>> satisfied. Note that this list is publicly archived.
>>  ...
>>   WCAG 2.0 Editor's Draft of May-October 2007 at  
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20071102/
>>   
>>  ...
>>  
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > Comment 10: H56: issues with example similar to H34
>> > Source: 
>> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/200
>> 7Jun/0046.html
>> > (Issue ID: 1968)
>> > ----------------------------
>> > Original Comment:
>> > ----------------------------
>> > 
>> > Comment from the i18n review of:
>> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/
>> > 
>> > Comment 5
>> > At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0706-wcag2-techniques/
>> > Editorial/substantive: E
>> > Owner: RI
>> > 
>> > Location in reviewed document:
>> > H56 
>> > 
>> [http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/Overview.html#H56]
>> > 
>> > Comment:
>> > The use of the example of source text runs into similar 
>> > problems to those described for H34. You can see how I 
>> > attempted to explain this in examples at 
>> > http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#r
>> i20030726.140315918
>> > 
>> > ---------------------------------------------
>> > Response from Working Group:
>> > ---------------------------------------------
>> > 
>>  Thank you for helping us improve this technique and the 
>>  example. The code example now reads:
>>  
>>  <p>The title says "<span lang="he"
>>  dir="rtl">&#1508;&#1506;&#1497;&#1500;&#1493;&#1514;
>>  &#1492;&#1489;&#1497;&#1504;&#1488;&#1493;&#1501;</span>, 
>>  W3C" in Hebrew.</p>
>>  
>> 
>> 


#-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
#-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp       mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp     
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