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Re: VSS/Vehicle data consideration

From: Shinjiro Urata <shinjiro.urata@access-company.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:49:41 +0900
Message-ID: <CANXs=p4XY=PgrBbZt_zwEbhLC0V9FGHsLbMJJr0Jt5BWhwO+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
To: 平林 立彦 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com>
Cc: "Streif, Rudolf" <rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com>, public-automotive <public-automotive@w3.org>
Hirabayashi-san,

Thank you very much for the comparizon.
By the way, it looks yellow-painted line is missing in  "160919_vss.csv".
(This is because csv format can't hold background color info.
 It should be saved as .xlsx. or something.)

I think I painted again the newly added lines.
Please check the attached.

Best regards,
Shinjiro Urata




2016-09-19 15:13 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:

> Hi, Rudi-san, Urata-san and all
>
> Urata-san's CSV file is really helpful! Thank you very much.
>
> Tentative summary I have reviewed the current VSS and Vehicle data spec
> comparing each other are as follows:
>
> * Missing Data/Signal in VSS
>   - Highlighted in a yellow line in vss.csv
>   - The following data/signal of the Vehicle data should be at least
> added
>     to VSS;
>     > VIN,WMI, brand, model, vehicle type, year
>     > Accelerator/brake pedal position, steering wheel angle, tire
> pressure
>     > Fuel level, average/instant consumption
>     > ABS, TCS, ESC, odometer, trip meter
>     > Acceleration (x, y, z), gyro-data (yaw, pitch, roll), location
> accuracy
>     > Ignition on/off time, airbag deployment, cruise control, etc.
>
> * Changes of Data Type
>   - Location data signal should comply with Section 5.4 of W3C
> Geolocation
>     API REC
>     (https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-geolocation-API-20131024/#position)
>   - Other signals to be reviewed are shown in reversed characters in vss.
> csv
>
> * New Data/Signal to be Added
>   - Some data has been missing in both VSS and Vehicle data.
>     e.g. Fuel tank capacity, number of tires are highlighted in a
>          light-blued line in vss.csv
>
> We would like to discuss the above issues in Lisbon if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> T.Hirabayashi, KDDI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Urata-san,
> >
> > Thank you very much. This is looking really good. There are two more
> things
> > I would like you to consider and I apologize for not bringing them up
> > earlier:
> >
> >
> > 1. Using the vss2json.py tool
> > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification/
> blob/develop/tools/vspec2json.py>
>
> > as
> > a template
> >
> > We already have three conversion tools that directly convert VSS into
> > different output formats in the GENIVI Github repository
> > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification>. I would like
> to
> > add your tool to the repo but it would be very beneficial if it
> followed
> > the same template as the other tools. These tools directly read the
> VSS
> > files. It's easy since the core of it is a converter that reads VSS
> YAML
> > hierarchy into a JSON structure. All you have to do is
> >
> > import vspec
> >
> > tree = vspec.load(<vspec_file>, <include_dirs>)
> >
> > tree then contains the JSON tree structure alleviating you from
> reading the
> > JSON file and omitting the vspec2json step. The vspec2json.py
> converter
> > also contains the code to create the signal ID database.
> >
> >
> > 2. Splitting up the signal names into individual nodes
> >
> > Your tool is currently splitting up the signal names and places the
> > individual nodes each into their own column in the csv file. I have
> been
> > thinking about it. The biggest problem is that the tree is not limited
> in
> > depth. There  can be any depth and you don't know how many columns are
> > needed. The second problem is that you cannot easily look up a signal
> by
> > its name because you have to search across columns. Maybe it's better
> to
> > just put the signal name in its entirety into a single column? The csv
> file
> > structure would then be:
> >
> > [Signal] ,[ID], [Type], [Unit], [Min], [Max], [Description]
> >
> >
> >
> > Others, please weigh in here too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rudi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Rudi-san,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion.
> > > Hirabayashi-san gave me similar comment.
> > >
> > > Attahced is the format modified version (and omitted repetitive part
> such
> > > as seat/door's Row2,3,..etc.).
> > >
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > Shinjiro Urata
> > >
> > >
> > > 2016-09-08 3:22 GMT+09:00 Streif, Rudolf <rstreif@jaguarlandrover.
> com>:
> > >
> > >> Thank you, Urata-san.
> > >>
> > >> We would probably want to output the expanded fields of the leaf
> nodes in
> > >> the form of:
> > >>
> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ DriverPostiion ], ...
> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row1PosCount ], ...
> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row2PosCount ], ...
> > >>
> > >> otherwise we will have this sparsely populated spreadsheet.
> Furthermore,
> > >> with the current format the order of the lines in the file is
> essential
> > >> otherwise the hierarchy is lost. Which means the file/spreadsheet
> cannot be
> > >> sorted.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, yes, the vehicle speed was missing which was a blunt oversight.
>  It's
> > >> fixed now:
> > >>
> > >> Signal.Drivetrain.Transmission.Speed
> > >> Signal.Cabin.Infotainment.Navigation.CurrentLocation.Speed
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Rudi
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > >> shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hirabayashi-san, Rudi-san
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried conversion from vss_rel_1.json to csv with small script.
> > >>> I don't know if this converted file fits to the needs.
> > >>> Please have a look at attached file.
> > >>>
> > >>> >Hirabayashi-san
> > >>> Since I omitted all other information except data point name,
> > >>>  this may not very goot for cross check with older Vehicle Data
> Spec.
> > >>> In that case, by modifiying the script, it is possible to
> > >>>  add more information such as datatype, min/max, etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Kind regards,
> > >>> Shinjiro Urata
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2016-09-07 10:30 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Rudi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks, I got it in Paris f2f meeting.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We need list of all vehicle signals/data as soon as possible to
> make
> > >>>> sure
> > >>>> overs and shorts comparing with the previous vehicle data specs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Vocabulary (data naming) list would be helpful in excel or csv
> format.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you in advance for your help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> T.Hirabayashi
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> > --
> > >>>> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > >>>> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > >>>> > Open Source Technology Centre
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > >>>> > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon,
> Warwick, CV35
> > >>>> ORR
> > >>>> > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > >>>> > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > >>>> > -------------------
> > >>>> > Business Details:
> > >>>> > Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > >>>> > Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > >>>> > Registered in England No: 1672070
> > >>>> >
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> > >>>> >
> > >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>> KDDI総研
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 平林 立彦
> > >>>> HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> > >>>> Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> > >>>> Mobile: 080-5941-4506
> > >>>> Fax: 03-6678-0339
> > >>>> E-mail: ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com
> > >>>> Address: 〒102‐8460
> > >>>> 東京都千代田区飯田橋3-10-10
> > >>>> ガーデンエアタワー33階
> > >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> .
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Rudolf J Streif*
> > >> System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > >> Open Source Technology Centre
> > >>
> > >> *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > >> *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, Warwick,
> CV35 ORR
> > >> US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > >> jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > >> -------------------
> > >> Business Details:
> > >> Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > >> Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > >> Registered in England No: 1672070
> > >>
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> privileged
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> addressed.
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>   We
> > >> apologise for any inconvenience caused but you are hereby notified
> that any
> > >> disclosure, copying or distribution or the taking of any action in
> reliance
> > >> on the information contained herein is strictly prohibited.
> > >>
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> unless
> > >> accompanied by an official purchase order.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > Open Source Technology Centre
> >
> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> >
> >
> >
> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, Warwick, CV35
> ORR
> > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > -------------------
> > Business Details:
> > Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > Registered in England No: 1672070
> >
> > This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential information for a
> > specific individual and purpose.  The information is private and
> privileged
> > and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is
> addressed.
> > If you are not the intended recipient, please e-mail us immediately.
> We
> > apologise for any inconvenience caused but you are hereby notified
> that any
> > disclosure, copying or distribution or the taking of any action in
> reliance
> > on the information contained herein is strictly prohibited.
> >
> > This e-mail does not constitute an order for goods or services unless
> > accompanied by an official purchase order.
> >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> KDDI総研
>
> 平林 立彦
> HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> Mobile: 080-5941-4506
> Fax: 03-6678-0339
> E-mail: ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com
> Address: 〒102‐8460
> 東京都千代田区飯田橋3-10-10
> ガーデンエアタワー33階
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

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