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Resend: VSS/Vehicle data consideration

From: <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:33:23 +0900
Message-ID: <20160919103323.00007306.0077@kddi-ri.jp>
To: "Shinjiro Urata" <shinjiro.urata@access-company.com>
Cc: 平林 立彦 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com>, "Streif, Rudolf" <rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com>, "public-automotive" <public-automotive@w3.org>
Urata-san

Thanks!

Hi, all

I resend VSS exel file.


T.Hirabayashi

----- Original Message -----
> Hirabayashi-san,
> 
> Thank you very much for the comparizon.
> By the way, it looks yellow-painted line is missing in  "160919_vss.
csv".
> (This is because csv format can't hold background color info.
>  It should be saved as .xlsx. or something.)
> 
> I think I painted again the newly added lines.
> Please check the attached.
> 
> Best regards,
> Shinjiro Urata
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-09-19 15:13 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:
> 
> > Hi, Rudi-san, Urata-san and all
> >
> > Urata-san's CSV file is really helpful! Thank you very much.
> >
> > Tentative summary I have reviewed the current VSS and Vehicle data 
spec
> > comparing each other are as follows:
> >
> > * Missing Data/Signal in VSS
> >   - Highlighted in a yellow line in vss.csv
> >   - The following data/signal of the Vehicle data should be at least
> > added
> >     to VSS;
> >     > VIN,WMI, brand, model, vehicle type, year
> >     > Accelerator/brake pedal position, steering wheel angle, tire
> > pressure
> >     > Fuel level, average/instant consumption
> >     > ABS, TCS, ESC, odometer, trip meter
> >     > Acceleration (x, y, z), gyro-data (yaw, pitch, roll), location
> > accuracy
> >     > Ignition on/off time, airbag deployment, cruise control, etc.
> >
> > * Changes of Data Type
> >   - Location data signal should comply with Section 5.4 of W3C
> > Geolocation
> >     API REC
> >     (https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-geolocation-API-20131024/#position)

> >   - Other signals to be reviewed are shown in reversed characters in 
vss.
> > csv
> >
> > * New Data/Signal to be Added
> >   - Some data has been missing in both VSS and Vehicle data.
> >     e.g. Fuel tank capacity, number of tires are highlighted in a
> >          light-blued line in vss.csv
> >
> > We would like to discuss the above issues in Lisbon if possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > T.Hirabayashi, KDDI
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Urata-san,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much. This is looking really good. There are two 
more
> > things
> > > I would like you to consider and I apologize for not bringing them 
up
> > > earlier:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Using the vss2json.py tool
> > > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification/
> > blob/develop/tools/vspec2json.py>
> >
> > > as
> > > a template
> > >
> > > We already have three conversion tools that directly convert VSS 
into
> > > different output formats in the GENIVI Github repository
> > > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification>. I would 
like
> > to
> > > add your tool to the repo but it would be very beneficial if it
> > followed
> > > the same template as the other tools. These tools directly read 
the
> > VSS
> > > files. It's easy since the core of it is a converter that reads 
VSS
> > YAML
> > > hierarchy into a JSON structure. All you have to do is
> > >
> > > import vspec
> > >
> > > tree = vspec.load(<vspec_file>, <include_dirs>)
> > >
> > > tree then contains the JSON tree structure alleviating you from
> > reading the
> > > JSON file and omitting the vspec2json step. The vspec2json.py
> > converter
> > > also contains the code to create the signal ID database.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Splitting up the signal names into individual nodes
> > >
> > > Your tool is currently splitting up the signal names and places 
the
> > > individual nodes each into their own column in the csv file. I 
have
> > been
> > > thinking about it. The biggest problem is that the tree is not 
limited
> > in
> > > depth. There  can be any depth and you don't know how many columns 
are
> > > needed. The second problem is that you cannot easily look up a 
signal
> > by
> > > its name because you have to search across columns. Maybe it's 
better
> > to
> > > just put the signal name in its entirety into a single column? The 
csv
> > file
> > > structure would then be:
> > >
> > > [Signal] ,[ID], [Type], [Unit], [Min], [Max], [Description]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Others, please weigh in here too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rudi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > > shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rudi-san,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggestion.
> > > > Hirabayashi-san gave me similar comment.
> > > >
> > > > Attahced is the format modified version (and omitted repetitive 
part
> > such
> > > > as seat/door's Row2,3,..etc.).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and regards,
> > > > Shinjiro Urata
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2016-09-08 3:22 GMT+09:00 Streif, Rudolf <rstreif@
jaguarlandrover.
> > com>:
> > > >
> > > >> Thank you, Urata-san.
> > > >>
> > > >> We would probably want to output the expanded fields of the 
leaf
> > nodes in
> > > >> the form of:
> > > >>
> > > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ DriverPostiion ], ...
> > > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row1PosCount ], ...
> > > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row2PosCount ], ...
> > > >>
> > > >> otherwise we will have this sparsely populated spreadsheet.
> > Furthermore,
> > > >> with the current format the order of the lines in the file is
> > essential
> > > >> otherwise the hierarchy is lost. Which means the file/
spreadsheet
> > cannot be
> > > >> sorted.
> > > >>
> > > >> BTW, yes, the vehicle speed was missing which was a blunt 
oversight.
> >  It's
> > > >> fixed now:
> > > >>
> > > >> Signal.Drivetrain.Transmission.Speed
> > > >> Signal.Cabin.Infotainment.Navigation.CurrentLocation.Speed
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Rudi
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > > >> shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hirabayashi-san, Rudi-san
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I tried conversion from vss_rel_1.json to csv with small 
script.
> > > >>> I don't know if this converted file fits to the needs.
> > > >>> Please have a look at attached file.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >Hirabayashi-san
> > > >>> Since I omitted all other information except data point name,
> > > >>>  this may not very goot for cross check with older Vehicle 
Data
> > Spec.
> > > >>> In that case, by modifiying the script, it is possible to
> > > >>>  add more information such as datatype, min/max, etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Kind regards,
> > > >>> Shinjiro Urata
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2016-09-07 10:30 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Rudi,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks, I got it in Paris f2f meeting.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> We need list of all vehicle signals/data as soon as possible 
to
> > make
> > > >>>> sure
> > > >>>> overs and shorts comparing with the previous vehicle data 
specs.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Vocabulary (data naming) list would be helpful in excel or 
csv
> > format.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thank you in advance for your help.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> T.Hirabayashi
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> > --
> > > >>>> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > >>>> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > >>>> > Open Source Technology Centre
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > > >>>> > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon,
> > Warwick, CV35
> > > >>>> ORR
> > > >>>> > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > > >>>> > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > > >>>> > -------------------
> > > >>>> > Business Details:
> > > >>>> > Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > > >>>> > Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > > >>>> > Registered in England No: 1672070
> > > >>>> >
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> > immediately.
> > > >>>> We
> > > >>>> > apologise for any inconvenience caused but you are hereby
> > notified
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> > in
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> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
> > > >>>> KDDI総研
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 平林 立彦
> > > >>>> HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> > > >>>> Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> > > >>>> Mobile: 080-5941-4506
> > > >>>> Fax: 03-6678-0339
> > > >>>> E-mail: ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com
> > > >>>> Address: 〒102‐8460
> > > >>>> 東京都千代田区飯田橋3-10-10
> > > >>>> ガーデンエアタワー33階
> > > >>>> 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> .
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > >> System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > >> Open Source Technology Centre
> > > >>
> > > >> *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > > >> *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, 
Warwick,
> > CV35 ORR
> > > >> US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > > >> jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > > >> -------------------
> > > >> Business Details:
> > > >> Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > > >> Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > > >> Registered in England No: 1672070
> > > >>
> > > >> This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential 
information
> > for a
> > > >> specific individual and purpose.  The information is private 
and
> > privileged
> > > >> and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is
> > addressed.
> > > >> If you are not the intended recipient, please e-mail us 
immediately.
> >   We
> > > >> apologise for any inconvenience caused but you are hereby 
notified
> > that any
> > > >> disclosure, copying or distribution or the taking of any action 
in
> > reliance
> > > >> on the information contained herein is strictly prohibited.
> > > >>
> > > >> This e-mail does not constitute an order for goods or services
> > unless
> > > >> accompanied by an official purchase order.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > Open Source Technology Centre
> > >
> > > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, Warwick, 
CV35
> > ORR
> > > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > > -------------------
> > > Business Details:
> > > Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > > Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > > Registered in England No: 1672070
> > >
> > > This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential information 
for a
> > > specific individual and purpose.  The information is private and
> > privileged
> > > and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is
> > addressed.
> > > If you are not the intended recipient, please e-mail us 
immediately.
> > We
> > > apologise for any inconvenience caused but you are hereby notified
> > that any
> > > disclosure, copying or distribution or the taking of any action in
> > reliance
> > > on the information contained herein is strictly prohibited.
> > >
> > > This e-mail does not constitute an order for goods or services 
unless
> > > accompanied by an official purchase order.
> > >
> > 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
> > KDDI総研
> >
> > 平林 立彦
> > HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> > Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> > Mobile: 080-5941-4506
> > Fax: 03-6678-0339
> > E-mail: ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com
> > Address: 〒102‐8460
> > 東京都千代田区飯田橋3-10-10
> > ガーデンエアタワー33階
> > 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
> >
> 
> -- 
> .
> 
          〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
          KDDI総研

          平林 立彦
          HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
          Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
          Mobile: 080-5941-4506
          Fax: 03-6678-0339
          E-mail: ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com
          Address: 〒102‐8460
          東京都千代田区飯田橋3-10-10
          ガーデンエアタワー33階
          〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜

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