Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case

Can you file it on accname instead please.
https://github.com/w3c/accname


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From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2018 at 10:18 AM
To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
Cc: James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com>, "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Subject: Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case

I filed an aria bug #715
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com<mailto:bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>> wrote:
If the desire is to keep it that way, then I’ll leave it as is. I leave it to you guys to decide which.


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From: James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com<mailto:nurthen@adobe.com>>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:10 AM
To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com<mailto:bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>>; David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>; Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com<mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com>>
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Subject: Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case

I think changing something like this would lead to a lot of extra verbosity which would be undesireable.
Title should never be used for anything important anyway – as keyboard users cannot get to it (in most browsers) either.

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From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com<mailto:bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2018 at 9:08 AM
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>, "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com<mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com>>
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Subject: RE: AccName question about multiple description edge case
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Resent-Date: Friday, April 13, 2018 at 9:07 AM

Thanks,
I understand, and have always thought the invisible loss of accessible information was strange.

Should this be raised as an issue to be added to the naming computation, or should this be ignored as something everybody knows and just deals with?

Thanks,
Bryan


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From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 5:42 AM
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Subject: Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case

It is the expected result because the title is a swing attribute that fills an empty accname or accdesciption

My preference would be that if it is different then it is a concatenation with the accdescrption...

There a lot if override errors in the wild

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:34 AM Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com<mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com>> wrote:
Hi Bryan,

I understood this as override accepted by the group ever since the very beginning.
Not clear where exactly this is handled in the accessible description computation requirements.

Personally, I feel unhappy with this override.

Regards
Stefan

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:31 AM
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Subject: AccName question about multiple description edge case

Hi,
I'd like to verify the expectation for the following testable statement.

<input type="text" aria-label="LabelText" title="TitleText" id="test" aria-describedby="descid"><div id="descid">DescriptionText</div>

Current results:

accName: "LabelText"
accDesc: "DescriptionText"

The title is lost. Is this the expected result?

Thanks,
Bryan


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