Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case

Done

https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/14


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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:19 PM, James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com> wrote:

> Can you file it on accname instead please.
>
> https://github.com/w3c/accname
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> *From: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> *Date: *Friday, April 13, 2018 at 10:18 AM
> *To: *Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
> *Cc: *James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com>, "Schnabel, Stefan" <
> stefan.schnabel@sap.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
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> *Subject: *Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case
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> I filed an aria bug #715
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> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Bryan Garaventa <
> bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com> wrote:
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> If the desire is to keep it that way, then I’ll leave it as is. I leave it
> to you guys to decide which.
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> *From:* James Nurthen <nurthen@adobe.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 9:10 AM
> *To:* Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>; David MacDonald <
> david100@sympatico.ca>; Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
> *Cc:* ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case
>
>
>
> I think changing something like this would lead to a lot of extra
> verbosity which would be undesireable.
>
> Title should never be used for anything important anyway – as keyboard
> users cannot get to it (in most browsers) either.
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> *From: *Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
> *Date: *Friday, April 13, 2018 at 9:08 AM
> *To: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, "Schnabel, Stefan" <
> stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
> *Cc: *ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: AccName question about multiple description edge case
> *Resent-From: *<public-aria@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Friday, April 13, 2018 at 9:07 AM
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>
>
> Thanks,
>
> I understand, and have always thought the invisible loss of accessible
> information was strange.
>
>
>
> Should this be raised as an issue to be added to the naming computation,
> or should this be ignored as something everybody knows and just deals with?
>
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> Thanks,
>
> Bryan
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> *From:* David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 5:42 AM
> *To:* Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
> *Cc:* ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>; Bryan Garaventa <
> bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com>
> *Subject:* Re: AccName question about multiple description edge case
>
>
>
> It is the expected result because the title is a swing attribute that
> fills an empty accname or accdesciption
>
>
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> My preference would be that if it is different then it is a concatenation
> with the accdescrption...
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> There a lot if override errors in the wild
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> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:34 AM Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I understood this as override accepted by the group ever since the very
> beginning.
> Not clear where exactly this is handled in the accessible description
> computation requirements.
>
> Personally, I feel unhappy with this override.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@levelaccess.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:31 AM
> To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
> Subject: AccName question about multiple description edge case
>
> Hi,
> I'd like to verify the expectation for the following testable statement.
>
> <input type="text" aria-label="LabelText" title="TitleText" id="test"
> aria-describedby="descid"><div id="descid">DescriptionText</div>
>
> Current results:
>
> accName: "LabelText"
> accDesc: "DescriptionText"
>
> The title is lost. Is this the expected result?
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
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