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Re: aria-kbdshortcuts feedback

From: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:12:26 +0000
Message-ID: <CAFz-FYwT5iRK8cNpYmJoy2kOy9SBCU45qxggnEiCg3FwTn7CmA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
Cc: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
Thanks.

I'm open to whatever name is decided on. Might be worth considering
aria-shortcuts and aria-keys for something shorter, but I'm fine with
aria-keyboardshortcuts.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would imagine that anyone implementing keyboard shortcuts would need to
> know their are limitations beyond knowing what the languages is for the
> page, regarding the keyboard being used. Given that you know the language
> you are targeting do you feel it is enough to be able to determine your
> keyboard shortcuts when authoring a page?
>

No. It's true that there isn't currently a way for the web author to know
what keyboard layout the user has. That should be fixed. However, that
doesn't sound like a reason not to have this ARIA attribute.

Authors don't have a way to know keyboard layouts now, but that doesn't
stop them from adding keyboard shortcuts. Overall I'd say they try to stick
to keys that are more universal. The worst case is that a few shortcuts
can't be pressed in a few locales, but that's a mild inconvenience.

Adding this ARIA attribute now allows authors to express the shortcuts they
have, and if future APIs allow them to adapt these shortcuts to different
keyboard layouts better, they could do so without affecting this spec at
all.

I'd be in favor of including some language reminding authors that
punctuation differs a lot from one keyboard to the next and any shortcut
involving a non-alphanumeric may present compatibility problems.

Have you vetted this with the Google i18N experts?
>

No, but that's a good idea. I'll reach out right now and let you know if I
hear anything.

- Dominic


I personally don’t have issues with James name change to
> aria-keyboardshortcuts other than it is very long or the use of the word
> control (this is spelled out on Mac keyboards).
>
> We are working toward locking ARIA 1.1 down so that we can move on to ARIA
> 2.0, web component support, etc.
>
> Rich
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> *Subject: **aria-kbdshortcuts feedback*
> *Date: *February 24, 2016 at 3:33:06 AM CST
> *To: *ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
> *Resent-From: *public-aria@w3.org
>
> Issue #1: Name: kbdshortcuts. With the notable exception/oversight of the
> "img" role, ARIA doesn't use abbreviations like "kbd" in role or attribute
> names. This one should be changed to aria-keyboardshortcuts or something
> shorter like aria-hotkeys.
>
> Issue #2: Spec examples make it seem as if both "Control" and "Ctrl" are
> valid values. My interpretation of the KeyboardEvent spec is that only
> "Control" is valid.
>
> Issue #3: This prose:
>
> When specifying a key on the keyboard that changes when you hold down a
> modifier key other than an alphabetic key, you must specify the unmodified
> key name. For example, on most U.S. English keyboards, the percent sign "%"
> can be printed by pressing Shift+5. The correct way to specify this
> shortcut is "Shift+5". It is incorrect to specify "%" or "Shift+%".
> However, note that on some international keyboards the percent sign may be
> an unmodified key, in which case "%" and "Shift+%" would be correct on
> those keyboards.
>
>
>
> If I recall correctly, I raised this specific example on the list last
> year as a reason for not including the property in ARIA 1.1. It is not
> possible for the web application to know which keyboard is being used and
> therefore not possibly to implement this feature in a i18n-friendly manner.
> Simply stating in prose that there is a problem does not resolve the
> problem.
>
> Please don't publish this feature without consulting some of the W3C i18n
> experts.
>
> Issue #4: Editorial: Spec does not list [ARIA 1.1] on this property.
>
>
>
>
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