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RE: aria-kbdshortcuts feedback

From: Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:24:26 +0000
To: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
CC: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
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aria-keys may be misinterpreted by developers pumping all info about their implemented keyboard support into it, including trigger keys like F2 in grids, skipping keys like F6 for regions and so on.



If the intention is solely info about shortcuts, then the name should reflect that.



-          Stefan





From: Dominic Mazzoni [mailto:dmazzoni@google.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2016 18:12
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
Cc: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>; James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
Subject: Re: aria-kbdshortcuts feedback



Thanks.



I'm open to whatever name is decided on. Might be worth considering aria-shortcuts and aria-keys for something shorter, but I'm fine with aria-keyboardshortcuts.



On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com<mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote:

   I would imagine that anyone implementing keyboard shortcuts would need to know their are limitations beyond knowing what the languages is for the page, regarding the keyboard being used. Given that you know the language you are targeting do you feel it is enough to be able to determine your keyboard shortcuts when authoring a page?



   No. It's true that there isn't currently a way for the web author to know what keyboard layout the user has. That should be fixed. However, that doesn't sound like a reason not to have this ARIA attribute.



   Authors don't have a way to know keyboard layouts now, but that doesn't stop them from adding keyboard shortcuts. Overall I'd say they try to stick to keys that are more universal. The worst case is that a few shortcuts can't be pressed in a few locales, but that's a mild inconvenience.



   Adding this ARIA attribute now allows authors to express the shortcuts they have, and if future APIs allow them to adapt these shortcuts to different keyboard layouts better, they could do so without affecting this spec at all.



   I'd be in favor of including some language reminding authors that punctuation differs a lot from one keyboard to the next and any shortcut involving a non-alphanumeric may present compatibility problems.



   Have you vetted this with the Google i18N experts?



   No, but that's a good idea. I'll reach out right now and let you know if I hear anything.



   - Dominic





   I personally don’t have issues with James name change to aria-keyboardshortcuts other than it is very long or the use of the word control (this is spelled out on Mac keyboards).



   We are working toward locking ARIA 1.1 down so that we can move on to ARIA 2.0, web component support, etc.



   Rich





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      From: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com<mailto:jcraig@apple.com>>

      Subject: aria-kbdshortcuts feedback

      Date: February 24, 2016 at 3:33:06 AM CST

      To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org<mailto:public-aria@w3.org>>

      Resent-From: public-aria@w3.org<mailto:public-aria@w3.org>



      Issue #1: Name: kbdshortcuts. With the notable exception/oversight of the "img" role, ARIA doesn't use abbreviations like "kbd" in role or attribute names. This one should be changed to aria-keyboardshortcuts or something shorter like aria-hotkeys.

      Issue #2: Spec examples make it seem as if both "Control" and "Ctrl" are valid values. My interpretation of the KeyboardEvent spec is that only "Control" is valid.

      Issue #3: This prose:




         When specifying a key on the keyboard that changes when you hold down a modifier key other than an alphabetic key, you must specify the unmodified key name. For example, on most U.S. English keyboards, the percent sign "%" can be printed by pressing Shift+5. The correct way to specify this shortcut is "Shift+5". It is incorrect to specify "%" or "Shift+%". However, note that on some international keyboards the percent sign may be an unmodified key, in which case "%" and "Shift+%" would be correct on those keyboards.



      If I recall correctly, I raised this specific example on the list last year as a reason for not including the property in ARIA 1.1. It is not possible for the web application to know which keyboard is being used and therefore not possibly to implement this feature in a i18n-friendly manner. Simply stating in prose that there is a problem does not resolve the problem.

      Please don't publish this feature without consulting some of the W3C i18n experts.

      Issue #4: Editorial: Spec does not list [ARIA 1.1] on this property.





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