- From: Sheri Byrne Haber <sbyrnehaber@vmware.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:57:51 +0000
- To: Becky Gibson <gibson.becky@gmail.com>, "Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>
- CC: "public-apa-admin@w3.org" <public-apa-admin@w3.org>
+1 Sheri -----Original Message----- From: Becky Gibson <gibson.becky@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 10:41 AM To: Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net) <janina@rednote.net> Cc: public-apa-admin@w3.org Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Updated Call for Consensus (CfC): Horizontal Review of WCAG 2.2 ⚠ External Email +1 Becky Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net) <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > > This Call for Consensus is reissued to correct my copy and paste error in the original CfC. Please confirm by voting again. > > The error was noted during our weekly teleconference on Wednesday 24 August: > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > w3.org%2F2022%2F08%2F24-apa-minutes.html%23t03&data=05%7C01%7Csbyr > nehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee > 4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914097265%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs > b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D > %7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=c8nYdXvTp8bV6j4fHW1WfE%2BWMQZyqau3YVGcsZ983 > %2Bw%3D&reserved=0 > > > A "Corrected Proposed Disposition" and a "Revised Action to Take" sections follow. The "Background" section in the original CfC is confirmed accurate. > > ***Corrected Proposed Disposition*** > > APA requests AGWG remove the first word, "Sometimes," from Sec. 5.4 of the WCAG 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft document (and use no quantitative term whatsoever) as suggested on github here: > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith > ub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%2F2305%23issuecomment-1209655125&data > =05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1 > %7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914097265%7CUnk > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw > iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ARVm9WVM3XONOZXaddFqBmdjXoBt > becMfjuKDvoeM4U%3D&reserved=0 > > Thus, Sec. 5.4 would begin with an initial sentence that reads: > > "Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them." > > ***Revised Action to Take*** > > This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though messages of support are certainly welcome. > > If you object to this proposed action, or have comments concerning this proposal, please respond by replying on list to this message no later than 23:59 (Midnight) Boston Time, Monday 29 August. > > NOTE: This Call for Consensus is being conducted in accordance with the APA Decision Policy published at: > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w > 3.org%2FWAI%2FAPA%2Fdecision-policy&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40v > mware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd8 > 3d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo > iMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C% > 7C%7C&sdata=NsDTM3nDu%2BzGEYvHMU6qGKrc9kg3wkTcdDNOxKQ6RyI%3D&r > eserved=0 > > Janina and Matthew > > > Janina Sajka writes: >> Colleagues: >> >> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Platform >> Architectures (APA) Working Group formally testing for group >> consensus regarding our proposed disposition of our WCAG 2.2 >> Candidate Recommendation Draft horizontal review. Those of you who >> have participated in recent APA teleconferences will recognize this >> as the "Sometimes" question. >> >> ***Background*** >> >> As always with W3C specifications, APA has a horizontal review >> responsibility which applies to specifications created by other WAI >> groups just as to any other W3C group. In this context the question >> of conducting a formal horizontal review of the draft WCAG 2.2 CR was >> first raised on Wednesday 3 August at the regular weekly APA >> teleconference, and at the group's request, additional background, >> quoted below, was provided by email, available at this link: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww >> .w3.org%2F2022%2F08%2F03-apa-minutes.html%23t12&data=05%7C01%7Csb >> yrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3 >> cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFp >> bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M >> n0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gNvVWfpjh%2BKbJWEktyNhzFGjtyemlmLwXpX >> DPgkmJRU%3D&reserved=0 >> >> "During our regular teleconference Wednesday 3 August we seemed >> generally disinclined to take on an in depth review of the pending >> WCAG >> 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft currently in a Call for Consensus >> in the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group. >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flis >> ts.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2022JulSep%2F0112.html&a >> mp;data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da >> 85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253 >> 497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBT >> iI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ETLrQWYbNqsD3s%2B >> QWc9dVt0KtPR5IZgrgQYA%2BRejZdk%3D&reserved=0 >> >> "However, there was interest in understanding more about a comment >> characterizing third party content injections as occuring "sometimes" >> in the section defining Partial Conformance: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww >> .w3.org%2FTR%2FWCAG22%2F%23conformance-partial&data=05%7C01%7Csby >> rnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3c >> ee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb >> GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn >> 0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UMgpYFGklpml4dhSlxf7U3VjhD8ryRHv0CCyAC >> kwvsE%3D&reserved=0 >> >> "We note "sometimes" is the first word in this section. It has been >> suggested "sometimes" unrealistically understates the lived reality >> of today's web. The term "increasingly" has been proposed as a better >> descriptor. That issue discussion is here: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit >> hub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%2F2305&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%4 >> 0vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6 >> cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ >> WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 >> 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dcg9Lrcoq0Wz%2BO9oAHSrQaq%2Bxucr19rAM0kRXOFxiVw% >> 3D&reserved=0 >> >> "We agreed to return to this question at our next call Wednesday 10 >> August." >> >> Our discussion on Wednesday 10 August is logged here: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww >> .w3.org%2F2022%2F08%2F10-apa-minutes.html%23t11&data=05%7C01%7Csb >> yrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3 >> cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFp >> bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M >> n0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P7MZSs6k8V93EHrhvhcCndUoRbkkj7%2FBkbi >> MdfaGpUI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Our last discussion which leads to this CfC occured during the APA >> teleconference of Wednesday 17 August and is logged here: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww >> .w3.org%2F2022%2F08%2F17-apa-minutes.html%23t09&data=05%7C01%7Csb >> yrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3 >> cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFp >> bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M >> n0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2%2BjPbwRgFoJUrqvCOwywgJLz5vjiWIygpCw >> rIOzW4xQ%3D&reserved=0 >> >> APA's following proposed disposition of this issue is taken from the >> second option suggested by AGWG Co-Chair Alastair as noted next. >> >> ***Proposed Disposition*** >> >> APA requests AGWG remove the first word, "Sometimes," from Sec. 5.4 >> of the WCAG 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft document as suggested >> on github here: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit >> hub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%2F2305%23issuecomment-1209655125&da >> ta=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7d >> fe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7 >> CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik >> 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NE5n7VWGc62lkdIWeWpXnv >> 1ZMdReXmsXAbj9Q8Ibo9s%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Thus, Sec. 5.4 would begin with an initial sentence that reads: >> >> "Many Web pages are created that will later have additional content >> added to them." >> >> ***Action to Take*** >> >> This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of >> support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though >> messages of support are certainly welcome. >> >> If you object to this proposed action, or have comments concerning >> this proposal, please respond by replying on list to this message no >> later than 23:59 (Midnight) Boston Time, Wednesday 24 August. >> >> NOTE: This Call for Consensus is being conducted in accordance with >> the APA Decision Policy published at: >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> w3.org%2FWAI%2FAPA%2Fdecision-policy&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%4 >> 0vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6 >> cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ >> WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 >> 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NsDTM3nDu%2BzGEYvHMU6qGKrc9kg3wkTcdDNOxKQ6RyI%3D >> &reserved=0 >> >> Janina and Matthew >> >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flin >> kedin.com%2Fin%2Fjsajka&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7 >> C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0% >> 7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw >> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&am >> p;sdata=Y18ICS%2BB%2Bqt3S3qgz6ECrgEd4nTlQ6aPvZWq9i20agY%3D&reserv >> ed=0 >> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwai%2Fapa&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9cCIelgtmtbcHqf%2BTeFYYDy14V1cLEmETq5nYJZ1Ods%3D&reserved=0 >> > > -- > > Janina Sajka (she/her/hers) > Accessibility Consultant > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flink > edin.com%2Fin%2Fjsajka&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0 > ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0 > %7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi > LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sda > ta=Y18ICS%2BB%2Bqt3S3qgz6ECrgEd4nTlQ6aPvZWq9i20agY%3D&reserved=0 > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwai%2Fapa&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9cCIelgtmtbcHqf%2BTeFYYDy14V1cLEmETq5nYJZ1Ods%3D&reserved=0 > > Linux Foundation Fellow > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > linuxfoundation.org%2Fboard-of-directors-2%2F&data=05%7C01%7Csbyrn > ehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4 > b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb > 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D% > 7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NZOOQtaFlTA4TZ75AyfLkKxiPVJqx1TtDlzWG%2FIHnS > w%3D&reserved=0 > > ________________________________ ⚠ External Email: This email originated from outside of the organization. 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