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RE: IMPORTANT: Updated Call for Consensus (CfC): Horizontal Review of WCAG 2.2

From: Sheri Byrne Haber <sbyrnehaber@vmware.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:57:51 +0000
To: Becky Gibson <gibson.becky@gmail.com>, "Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>
CC: "public-apa-admin@w3.org" <public-apa-admin@w3.org>
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Sheri

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From: Becky Gibson <gibson.becky@gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 10:41 AM
To: Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net) <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: public-apa-admin@w3.org
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Updated Call for Consensus (CfC): Horizontal Review of WCAG 2.2

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> On Aug 24, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Janina Sajka (janina@rednote.net) <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>
> This Call for Consensus is reissued to correct my copy and paste error in the original CfC. Please confirm by voting again.
>
> The error was noted during our weekly teleconference on Wednesday 24 August:
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.

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> A "Corrected Proposed Disposition" and a "Revised Action to Take" sections follow. The "Background" section in the original CfC is confirmed accurate.
>
> ***Corrected Proposed Disposition***
>
> APA requests AGWG remove the first word, "Sometimes,"  from Sec. 5.4  of the WCAG 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft document (and use no quantitative term whatsoever) as suggested on github here:
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith

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> Thus, Sec. 5.4 would begin with an initial sentence that reads:
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> "Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them."
>
> ***Revised Action to Take***
>
> This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though messages of support are certainly welcome.
>
> If you object to this proposed action, or have comments concerning this proposal, please respond by replying on list to this message no later than 23:59 (Midnight) Boston Time, Monday 29 August.
>
> NOTE: This Call for Consensus is being conducted in accordance with the APA Decision Policy published at:
>
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> Janina and Matthew
>
>
> Janina Sajka writes:
>> Colleagues:
>>
>> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Platform 
>> Architectures (APA) Working Group formally testing for group 
>> consensus regarding our proposed disposition of our WCAG 2.2 
>> Candidate Recommendation Draft horizontal review. Those of you who 
>> have participated in recent APA teleconferences will recognize this 
>> as the "Sometimes" question.
>>
>> ***Background***
>>
>> As always with W3C specifications, APA has a horizontal review 
>> responsibility which applies to specifications created by other WAI 
>> groups just as to any other W3C group. In this context the question 
>> of conducting a formal horizontal review of the draft WCAG 2.2 CR was 
>> first raised on Wednesday 3 August at the regular weekly APA 
>> teleconference, and at the group's request, additional background, 
>> quoted below,  was provided by email, available at this link:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww

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>> "During our regular teleconference Wednesday 3 August we seemed 
>> generally disinclined to take on an in depth review of the pending 
>> WCAG
>> 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft currently in a Call for Consensus 
>> in the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group.
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flis

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>> "However, there was interest in understanding more about a comment 
>> characterizing third party content injections as occuring "sometimes" 
>> in the section defining Partial Conformance:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww

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>> "We note "sometimes" is the first word in this section. It has been 
>> suggested "sometimes" unrealistically understates the lived reality 
>> of today's web. The term "increasingly" has been proposed as a better 
>> descriptor. That issue discussion is here:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit

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>> "We agreed to return to this question at our next call Wednesday 10 
>> August."
>>
>> Our discussion on Wednesday 10 August is logged here:
>>
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>> Our last discussion which leads to this CfC occured during the APA 
>> teleconference of Wednesday 17 August and is logged here:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww

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>> APA's following proposed disposition of this issue is taken from the 
>> second option suggested by AGWG Co-Chair Alastair as noted next.
>>
>> ***Proposed Disposition***
>>
>> APA requests AGWG remove the first word, "Sometimes,"  from Sec. 5.4 
>> of the WCAG 2.2 Candidate Recommendation draft document as suggested 
>> on github here:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit

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>> Thus, Sec. 5.4 would begin with an initial sentence that reads:
>>
>> "Many Web pages are created that will later have additional content 
>> added to them."
>>
>> ***Action to Take***
>>
>> This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of 
>> support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though 
>> messages of support are certainly welcome.
>>
>> If you object to this proposed action, or have comments concerning 
>> this proposal, please respond by replying on list to this message no 
>> later than 23:59 (Midnight) Boston Time, Wednesday 24 August.
>>
>> NOTE: This Call for Consensus is being conducted in accordance with 
>> the APA Decision Policy published at:
>>
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.

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>> Janina and Matthew
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka
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>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures    https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwai%2Fapa&amp;data=05%7C01%7Csbyrnehaber%40vmware.com%7C0ad4fc03d57348666a0208da85f7dfe1%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637969596914253497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=9cCIelgtmtbcHqf%2BTeFYYDy14V1cLEmETq5nYJZ1Ods%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
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