Re: Call for Consensus: Anti-Fraud CG Charter

I think it is implied, but additional clarity is always nice. I support the change

-- Aram Zucker-Scharff
The Washington Post


From: Philipp Pfeiffenberger <philippp@google.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:42 PM
To: Steven Valdez <svaldez@google.com>
Cc: Chris Wood <chriswood@cloudflare.com>, Zucker-Scharff, Aram <Aram.Zucker-Scharff@washpost.com>, Michael Tiffany <michael@humansecurity.com>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>, James Rosewell <james@51degrees.com>, public-antifraud@w3.org <public-antifraud@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Call for Consensus: Anti-Fraud CG Charter
+1, also supportive of Chris Wood's proposed amendment.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 12:19 PM Steven Valdez <svaldez@google.com<mailto:svaldez@google.com>> wrote:
I think that change to the charter seems reasonable. If the folks who have responded already are okay with the change, I can merge the change in and have it as part of the CfC.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:14 PM Chris Wood <chriswood@cloudflare.com<mailto:chriswood@cloudflare.com>> wrote:
Following up on a message I sent to the use cases thread, I think it might be useful to slightly expand the Scope of Work section as follows:

"The Community Group will discuss and document various forms of fraudulent activity on the web, as well as the properties of such activities that lend themselves to abuse, to establish a foundation for developing web APIs that assist in our mission. The focus is to enable scaled anti-fraud and solutions that are applicable across the ecosystem."

Otherwise, the proposed charter looks like a reasonable start to me!

Best,
Chris


On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:20 AM Zucker-Scharff, Aram <Aram.Zucker-Scharff@washpost.com<mailto:Aram.Zucker-Scharff@washpost.com>> wrote:
Concur. Scope seems clear to me. Amendment for specific work items as a way to go forward also makes sense. I support the charter.

-- Aram Zucker-Scharff
The Washington Post


From: Steven Valdez <svaldez@google.com<mailto:svaldez@google.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 2:11 PM
To: Michael Tiffany <michael@humansecurity.com<mailto:michael@humansecurity.com>>
Cc: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>>, James Rosewell <james@51degrees.com<mailto:james@51degrees.com>>, public-antifraud@w3.org<mailto:public-antifraud@w3.org> <public-antifraud@w3.org<mailto:public-antifraud@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Call for Consensus: Anti-Fraud CG Charter
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re: abuse's meaning, Ian's reading is correct. Based on how wide the space is, the medium-term plan is to try sorting out more explicit use cases and looking into amending the charter based on that in the future.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:05 PM Michael Tiffany <michael@humansecurity.com<mailto:michael@humansecurity.com>> wrote:
+1. I particularly commend the wording scoping the mission. This mission statement strikes me as both ambitious and precise. Nicely done.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 1:55 PM Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>> wrote:


> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:52 PM, James Rosewell <james@51degrees.com<mailto:james@51degrees.com>> wrote:
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> What does "abuse" mean in the context of the charter? Without a definition the "Goals" and "Scope of Work" sections are misaligned.

The charter says: "Fraud and abuse can include web activity perpetrated by botnets, attackers impersonating users, unwanted traffic, and other activity that intends to deceive and harm users or compromise web services."

I infer that the scope of work is therefore "activity that intends to deceive and harm users or compromise web services.”

Ian

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> +1 to the charter. Thank you to the editors,
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>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Steven Valdez <svaldez@google.com<mailto:svaldez@google.com>> wrote:
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>> This email is to announce a Call for Consensus (CfC) on the Anti-Fraud CG Charter:
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>> https://antifraudcg.github.io/charter.html [antifraudcg.github.io]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/antifraudcg.github.io/charter.html__;!!M9LbjjnYNg9jBDflsQ!XX7AoQH2YwNT2lTG7xDrRHUh7SutzJuRg8R1ya51QvBujRVBNuLTX-Iq3gQ_1CjA9Zl3fbzIftg$>
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>> This charter would serve as an initial foundation for the anti-fraud community group and can be amended in the future as the state of the CG changes.
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>> This CfC will conclude in 14 days on March 1st, 2022. All feedback is encouraged on the charter, both positive support and any objections or request for changes. While non-responses by CG members implies no objection to the charter, the Chairs would prefer explicit support/feedback on the charter to make sure sufficient folks have reviewed/read the charter. Please provide feedback/support by replying to this thread (via public-antifraud@w3.org<mailto:public-antifraud@w3.org>). If there is consensus for the charter, we'll adopt it at the end of the CfC for the March 4th meeting, otherwise we'll iterate on the feedback via the Github (https://github.com/antifraudcg/antifraudcg.github.io/blob/main/charter.html).
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