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Re: Roles, multiple bodies, and creating wiki page of potential solution

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:41:08 -0400
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kB39mD=B1S4dkLszUzNsOs_QeaCr+5-ArF7fQao4DfmEA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
Cc: t-cole3 <t-cole3@illinois.edu>, W3C Public Annotation List <public-annotation@w3.org>
I honestly really like this solution!
Paolo

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Yes, that's right :)
>
> Rob
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Timothy Cole <t-cole3@illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Posting my reply to the list as you suggested (I was initially focused on
>> the administrivia of getting the wiki page going, not the details of Ray's
>> solution).
>>
>>
>>
>> To continue on with your strawman illustrating Ray's role assignment
>> approach -- If I wanted to use a blank node for the Embedded Textual
>> Resource in your example, would this be the JSON?
>>
>>
>>
>> {
>>
>>   "@id": "http://example.org/anno1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>   "@type": "Annotation",
>>
>>   "motivation": "bookmarking",
>>
>>   "body": [
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "_:n1",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "Come back and read this page about Paris."
>>
>>     },
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag1",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "paris"
>>
>>     },
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "MustRead"
>>
>>     }
>>
>>   ],
>>
>>   "target":  "@id": "http://example.org/paris.html
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>   "roles": [
>>
>>     {"role": "commenting", "for": "_:n1"},
>>
>>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
>> "},
>>
>>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
>> "}
>>
>>   ]
>>
>> }
>>
>> -Tim Cole
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Robert Sanderson [mailto:azaroth42@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:19 PM
>> *To:* t-cole3 <t-cole3@illinois.edu>; Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
>> *Cc:* Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov>; Frederick Hirsch <w3c@fjhirsch.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Web Annotation -- New Wiki page
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Timothy Cole <t-cole3@illinois.edu> wrote
>> (edited/updated):
>>
>> My take away from today's WG call  is that we need:
>>
>> 1)  a complete, concrete annotation example or 2 based on Ray's proposed
>> solution in Turtle as well as JSON-LD, and
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, I propose the simple bookmark export use case, rather than the edits
>> with custom motivations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  2) a wiki page that integrates this/these examples (adding JSON/JSON-LD)
>> with representative examples of currently supported approach and other
>> proposed solutions still under discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, and the priority being 1 then 2.
>>
>>
>>
>>  All examples on the wiki page would be serialized in both JSON/JSON-LD
>> and Turtle.
>>
>>  Am I right that I should take the lead on 2 (creating the wiki page)?
>>
>>
>>
>> As a strawperson for 1:
>>
>>
>>
>> {
>>
>>   "@id": "http://example.org/anno1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>   "@type": "Annotation",
>>
>>   "motivation": "bookmarking",
>>
>>   "body": [
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "http://example.org/comment1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "Come back and read this page about Paris."
>>
>>     },
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "paris"
>>
>>     },
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>>
>>       "value": "MustRead"
>>
>>     }
>>
>>   ],
>>
>>   "target":  "@id": "http://example.org/paris.html
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>
>> ",
>>
>>   "roles": [
>>
>>     {"role": "commenting", "for": "http://example.org/comment1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>
>> "},
>>
>>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
>> "},
>>
>>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
>> "}
>>
>>   ]
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> Turtle (hand written, please verify)
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://example.org/anno1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>>
>> a oa:Annotation ;
>>
>>   oa:motivatedBy oa:bookmarking ;
>>
>>   oa:hasTarget <http://example.org/paris.html
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>>
>> ;
>>
>>   oa:hasBody <http://example.org/comment1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>,
>> <http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>,
>> <http://example.org.tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org.tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=yNA7EnbXC05mh2eXtBr6jIOP4LyLayVx5uiO6yUBRxM&e=>>
>> ;
>>
>>   oa:hasRole [
>>
>>     oa:role oa:commenting ;
>>
>>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/comment1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>
>> ],
>>
>>     [
>>
>>     oa:role oa:tagging ;
>>
>>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
>> ],
>>
>>     [
>>
>>     oa:role oa:tagging ;
>>
>>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/tag2
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>>
>> ] .
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://example.org/comment1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>
>> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>>
>>   rdf:value "Come back and read this page about Paris" .
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
>> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>>
>>   rdf:value "paris" .
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://example.org/tag1
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
>> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>>
>>   rdf:value "MustRead" .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Some initial observations:
>>
>> * All bodies need URIs to be referred to from the role.  Meaning that
>> clients creating the annotation would have to assign, for example, a UUID
>> or blank node identifier.
>>
>> * There's no need to have the Tag class and the role :) So if we're
>> adopting this we can drop Tag and SemanticTag :)
>>
>> * I don't think we have a use case where the exact same resource is both
>> a body AND a target, but it would be potentially ambiguous if that were
>> true, and the same role could be used as both a body role and target role.
>>
>>
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rob Sanderson
>>
>> Information Standards Advocate
>>
>> Digital Library Systems and Services
>>
>> Stanford, CA 94305
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Rob Sanderson
> Information Standards Advocate
> Digital Library Systems and Services
> Stanford, CA 94305
>



-- 
Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
Principal Knowledge and Software Engineer at PerkinElmer Innovation Lab
Assistant Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School

Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-5156-2703
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